Article: Why we should be skeptical about the latest accusations against Pope Francis

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Cathoholic said:
Remember. The Pope has NOT DENIED these occurrences.
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The Pope has NOT Confirmed these occurrences
We are not guilty because others accuse us. In the western world and in much of the east.
We don’t run on kangaroo courts.

I will defend the Pope to the end of the line here because someone has to and it is my duty as a Catholic. And you, being Catholic , should be defending the leader of your church too, until or unless he is proven otherwise.

This Pope canon fodder is just what the secular world and certain divided factions of the Catholic Church want.
Can you confirm the Archbishop is telling the truth and the Pope guilty? wheres your evidence? where are the written documents supporting the Archbishops claims?

Hey how do we get rid of this Pope, lets start a trial by media campaign against him in the light of the USA scandal.
Is that going to work?
it will if people do not start thinking critically and separating fact from fiction and he said she said.
 
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Roseeurekacross . . .
The Pope has NOT Confirmed these occurrences
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But an archbishop HAS.

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Roseeurekacross . .
we are not guilty because others accuse us.
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Nobody here on CAF is accusing anybody.

Many people are echoing what our Bishops and Pope has been telling us.

Transparency!

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Roseeurekacross . . .
I will defend the Pope
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Well then defend what he has been saying too! That is PART if what defending the Pope is all about.

I hope you DO defend the Pope. But none of this is served in his defense from you so far.
 
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Roseeurekacross said:
the plot thickens
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Who’d a thunk it… it was supposed to be all so easy. Throw a grenade and watch the shrapnel take out the pope.

I guess Vigano didn’t throw it far enough and is catching some of that shrapnel himself.
Tis_Bearself said:
The secular media in USA likes the Pope though. Unless there’s a really huge smoking gun in his closet, they’d like to see him come out ahead.
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Yeah but the reactionary right-wing Church media like Lepanto, etc., will have a field day with it. It’s their first toss at rolling back Vatican II.

And who has ever met a secular journalist that doesn’t like sinking his/her teeth into a juicy controversy.

The more I look at this, the more the Benedictine in me is just plain disgusted. I can’t believe that Benedictine spirituality and Vigano even belong to the same Church.
 
OraLabora . . .
He has not “confirmed”. He has alleged. Big difference.
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True enough. But he HAS made his report. (And he has “confirmed” what he said, just as much as the Pope can “confirm” he had it said to him though which is what the point Roseeurekacross made was.)

His report includes the fact that the Pope and others knew about Cardinal McCarrick.

Now it is time for the Vatican to address the matter.

And the time for a TRANSPARENT investigation as the Bishops are calling for and as the POPE has said before Archbishop Vigano’s report.
 
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Thank you for posting this exnihilo.

I am going to begin a thread on this.
 
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Yes… The Dreaded Pie 🥧
 
So where’s the balance here? We want transparency and no secrecy, but how is this when someone who speaks up is accused of being a gossiper and running a smear campaign? Is that always going to be the case when someone says something we don’t want to hear?

Vigano has every right to speak, and in fairness the Holy Father and everyone else also has every right to respond.
 
Ardent_Fire said:
how is this when someone who speaks up is accused of being a gossiper and running a smear campaign? Is that always going to be the case when someone says something we don’t want to hear?
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It’s sort of an expected response when a disgruntled executive who got demoted suddenly picks his moment and tries to throw his boss under the bus.
 
Bishop Robert Barron responds to the current crisis in a 25 minute Q & A, and he addresses the 11 page letter as well. His remarks about the archbishop’s accusations are measured, like a diplomat. While not rejecting the claims outright, he also mentions several reasons to be skeptical. His recommendation is to further investigate these claims, echoing the proposal of Cardinal DiNardo and the USCCB, to get to the truth. I agree with Bishop Barron. It seems to me that many of us, myself included, are all too ready to either accept or reject these claims based on whether or not we approve of the way Pope Francis is leading the Church.

 
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In my world if anyone accuses the pope, the pope has the benefit of the doubt. The accuser had better have evidence that can be backed up. In fact I am loathe to take the word of one man against the pope but that is just me.
What other Bishop accuses the pope? What documentation is there? I seem to have missed that.
 
OraLabora said:
can’t believe that Benedictine spirituality and Vigano even belong to the same Church.
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Um…
You know this man? Well enough to judge?
Many bishops who do know this man for decades, have described him as an honest, honorable man.

Ora, I have read countless posts by you and learned much. This post is far below your usual high standard.
 
I am sure Vigano has good qualities and may even think he is doing a good or necessary thing with his current actions. The vast majority of humans, with a couple exceptions like Jesus and Mary, are a mixture of good and bad and nobody is all good or all bad.

I question Vigano’s motives and judgment in this situation and in some previous situations, notably the Kim Davis business. In other situations he may have been very holy and saintly. We don’t tend to hear about it because the press doesn’t report it when people are good or saintly - they like dirty laundry.
 
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