As a gay (SSA) Catholic, I'm exhausted

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I think in more and more parishes it is diminishing. The laity is actually ahead on the isssue and i think the current approach of the Church is in need of refreshing. I think Courage is stuck in a time warp, it hasn’t really changed to keep up with the increasing numbers of Catholics that know people who are gay or have family that are gay. It appears that Courage in its current form is stuck back in the early days of its foundation as a ministry.
 
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When one says “I am Trans” or “I am Gay” or “I am Bi” or “I am Questioning” etc. simply shows that one is reflecting the culture which has become entrenched in the hearts and minds of people—-an entrenchment which will have to be uprooted if one is truly seeking to follow Christ.
I don’t think so. (Assuming you are straight)…How would you like it if you woke up in a world tomorrow where the default was the assumption that you are gay. How would you like that? Would you feel like you need to correct people in that assumption? Or would you be completely fine with it?
 
Increasingly, gay Catholics aren’t going to be willing to be “anonymous sufferers” of “same-sex attraction”. They’re going to be gay people who want to find a way to be open and casual about their sexuality without violating Church teaching. I’m not even defending that – I’m just saying it’s a fact. The Church has no organization to support such people. Moreover, it’s not clear how you would start a group of such people, since it’s more common to find people who totally reject Church teaching than those who accept it but don’t feel like being closeted.
I’ve attended Episcopalian, ELCA Lutheran, Presbyterian, and other churches that welcome LGBT people and don’t expect them to remain chaste and some of those churches have been quite large. But the number of LGBT people even in the large ones has been fairly small. The vast majority of LGBT people I know aren’t religious at all and the few who are tend to be older. And even in the large churches I’ve attended, there haven’t been very many young people, gay or straight.

Considering that even a majority of Republicans under 30 now support same-sex marriage, I think that the number of gay people who would be interested in being chaste and celibate for their entire lives is going to become quite small.
 
I understand that I’m not called to be married, don’t remind me of that. And that’s what Courage a lot of the time does. I think Courage would be better if it didn’t try to stop people from being open and honest about the cross they have to carry simply because it is a very uncomfortable one to discuss. I don’t want my cross to be treated as if it is this thing that can’t be talked about in casual conversation with others
Have you ever went to Courage? Just curious.
 
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I think the consensus here is that telling gay people to not have sex with polite language is not really an effective long term solution to ministering to gay people. We stop at the very first hurdle and don’t move any further with what you can do with your life if you’re not called to marriage.
 
I’ve had friends that have went and I was reading up on the Courage chapter in my area, it doesn’t look like a resource that would be of use to me. I don’t typically like group settings to talk about my personal issues and battles I fight everyday. I’m reserved and quiet and would prefer a direct conversation that doesn’t revolve around being told to hold to chastity. I’m already doing that, and I want to know other things i can do with mt life and my time.
 
Venture to suggest that the angst is actually created by the secular world view on same sex attraction and not church teachings.
 
I have a cousin who is gay and living with another guy…both of them are very involved in their parish…in fact the guy my cousin is with went through RCIA and was confirmed last year at their church…my cousin has also done overseas charity work in Africa a couple times…they host many church functions at their home and take elderly parishioners on day outings…apparently they are well liked by both their priest and their fellow parishioners…it might come down to what parish you belong to that is accepting…also this is in Australia…maybe they are more open to gays as well…I don’t know if they are both celibate …it’s not my business to ask…I’m sure they have had discussions with their priest by whom they are well liked.
 
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I think the consensus here is that telling gay people to not have sex with polite language is not really an effective long term solution to ministering to gay people.
What do you suggest to minister to gay people, then? Because if we ignore the fact that everyone is called to chastity, we’re not helping each other.

No one besides married couples should be having sex. So it’s not just directed at gay people.

When I was a single guy, I never expected the Church to tell me it was Ok to follow my wants and desires to do whatever my body told me to do.
 
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We hear the message of chastity all the time. That in itself is not helpful. I didn’t at any point suggest changing Church teaching so I’m unsure of why you’re talking to me as if I did. What I’m saying is that constantly sending the message of chastity is not useful. It’s not helpful, useful or effective.

My issue is that I want to hear what more I can do with my life apart from chastity. I do not want to be constantly beaten over the head with chastity, I get that. Tell me what else I can do with my life as a Christian If marriage is not an open vocation
 
My issue is that I want to hear what more I can do with my life apart from chastity. I do not want to be constantly beaten over the head with chastity, I get that. Tell me what else I can do with my life as a Christian If marriage is not an open vocation
Just like many other Catholics, you can help in the countless ministries available at all levels. There’s a plethora of things you can do.
 
You know what I meant. What I am saying is that chastity is not the answer to all questions on this issue. It’s a blanket surface level answer that does not actually get to the issue at hand.
 
You know what I meant. What I am saying is that chastity is not the answer to all questions on this issue. It’s a blanket surface level answer that does not actually get to the issue at hand.
It’s not a blanket level answer at all. Chastity is a virtue. The virtues must be developed and allowed to grow. This is part of the path to holiness.

The Church exists to get you and me to Heaven. We get to Heaven by becoming holy.
 
A man who thinks himself a woman and labels himself as such is simply identifying the psychological problem in his life and who he has become, the result of a journey of choices one takes in life and the effect and result of those choices; he is not identifying who he is intended to be.

Again, It’s not about following rules, it is about transformation of heart, mind and soul. That is what Jesus means when He spoke about carrying the cross and following Him; the point of carrying the cross is that it must lead to a complete crucifixion of our disordered passions, and the death to the old self.

The self-labeling of ”gay” or “trans” etc, only puts a person inside a psychological box. In reality, there are only two journeys a man can take in life; the first is the journey we personally take to become the person we become by following our own impulses and passions. The other journey is the way of the cross; a journey that scourges, crushes and crucifies the old self.

Instead of saying “I am a gay man”, the right label would simply be “I am a man”.

St John Bosco always spoke about having custody of the eyes and mind. This is because tiny seeds that we allow into our mind and heart can take root, grow and produce fruits. A bad thought can easily become a fantasy and grow into an act; the act becomes a habit; the habit becomes an addiction, and the addiction an obsession that ends up defining who we are, how we think about ourselves and how we relate to the world around us. A seed that takes root when we are very young has deep roots by the time one is an adult.

One problem we see is when people enter the Church and do not realize that it is a lifelong journey of transformation that we have undertaken, with the aid of God’s powerful life-transforming sanctifying grace. The problem we are seeing in the clergy today is of many men who refused to leave their old self behind, and thus has turned into a scandal for the Church.
 
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If you are ok with living a celibate life but still want to someone you can spend it with then perhaps you can find a priest who is understanding of your situation…as I said in my previous post my cousin and his partner are both well liked by both their priest and parishioners…and both are content with and lead full lives…it’s probably not a good thing coming on here expecting a whole lot of understanding of your situation…maybe you would be better finding out if their are any gay Catholic sites that would be able to better discuss your issues
 
How would you like it if you woke up in a world tomorrow where the default was the assumption that you are gay. How would you like that? Would you feel like you need to correct people in that assumption? Or would you be completely fine with it?
Again, this is a problem of self identity. By default, a man is simply a man, and a woman is simply a woman. Labels like trans, bi, gay, etc. are the world’s effect on man and woman and the labels that describe the effect the world has had on the mind and heart of a man or woman. It’s a prison really.
 
If you are ok with living a celibate life but still want to someone you can spend it with then perhaps you can find a priest who is understanding of your situation…as I said in my previous post my cousin and his partner are both well liked by both their priest and parishioners…and both are content with and lead full lives…it’s probably not a good thing coming on here expecting a whole lot of understanding of your situation…maybe you would be better finding out if their are any gay Catholic sites that would be able to better discuss your issues
Here is an excellent website for Catholics who are struggling with the gay mentality and want to find support and guidance:
 
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