As controversial as it is... Spanish Civil War

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I have no doubt Jesus wouldn’t be a fan of violence. Unfortunately in this world violence secures results. History is written in blood. (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
 
I disagree with Mr. Heinlein. There have been recent historical examples where diplomacy and negotiations have stopped wars from starting and ended those in progress. So, yes, there are are alternatives to war, but they are not flashy or glamorous and not as compelling as explosions and breakthroughs in military technology. Used correctly, an enemy could be overwhelmed quickly enough after a conflict begins. And without resorting to nuclear weapons which will become obsolete. Beam weapons currently in existence will destroy most of the delivery platforms.
 
There’s examples all throughout history where violence didn’t become necessary. But if one side is intent on using it pacifism on the other side won’t stop it is the point he’s making.

Ask Napoleon Bonaparte and the duke of Wellington whether or not violence solves disputes.
 
The Spanish Civil War was a trial run for World War 2. Hitler was backing Franco’s Nationalists and Stalin was backing the Republicans. Stalin wasn’t too keen, however, since the Communists were only one small faction on the Republican side, and Hitler won.
 
While the Church throughout the world may be in crisis (I don’t entirely agree; it’s thriving in some places), it’s on life support in Spain. Parishes around my city will have triple digit Mass attendance tomorrow; comparable cities around Spain tomorrow will barely have a few filled pews, and how many of those are foreign tourists trying to fulfill their obligations?

Franco did at least one good thing for Spain: he put Juan Carlos on the throne at the time of his death, who was able to essentially put Spain on the path to where it could have been 40 years earlier.
 
The Church sided with the right because the right sided with the Church. The Spanish left hated the Church for the same reason as the left in general does, because it is opposed to their insane view of things.
 
I’ll never understand how people can blame democracy’s evisceration of the Church (Mass attendance was around 75% when Franco died) on the non-democratic regimes that preceded it. It’d be like if I stopped feeding my pets and then blamed the pet food company when they died.
 
Roosevelt should have forced them all into internment and registration as foreign agents. Democracy is the only legitate government.
 
Cor_ad_Cor said:
Franco did at least one good thing for Spain: he put Juan Carlos on the throne at the time of his death, who was able to essentially put Spain on the path to where it could have been 40 years earlier.
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Yes, Juan Carlos did a really good job turning Spain into a secular democracy that kills its children and hands the survivors over to homosexuals.

Franco’s choice of successor was his biggest mistake.
 
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Not to mention (gasp!) legal interracial marriages, am I right, Arkansan?
 
thistle said:
I assume that is a joke!
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I assume yours was a wasted post!

Franco, despite his sins, protected Spain from the reds. And he defended the Church. As for the body count under Franco, I’d like to remind American posters and readers that the American government also has blood on its hands - far more than Franco!
 
wkj_123 said:
Did he or did he not oversee a regime that killed near 400,000 human beings?
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Franco didn’t have mercy on those who fought against him in the Spanish Civil War, and executed a lot of people for treason with the la garrotte.

I don’t know if it was 400,000 executions. Maybe if you include those who died in combat.
 
For the record, Arkansan is a legit, overt racist. Just to help you decide how many calories you want to burn on that one.
 
Cor_ad_Cor said:
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Arkansan:
Some folks just need killin
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Hmmm… remind me where Jesus taught on this issue.
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God approved the death penalty in Israel. No reason why Spanish malefactors should be above it.
 
You are so at odds with the mind of the Church, as represented by the living Magisterium, that I don’t even know where to start…
 
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