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Skadi said:
Ahhh but see they have no meaning to me, they do for you. I could care less what they say, but your religion calls these the sacred word of god.

In short, im arguing theoreticaly.
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Okay. So, my scriptures warn me about your gods.

I’m warned.
 
Skadi said:
Considering i wrote a paper on it in High school, and it got an A, I think i have more knowledge than you give me credit for. I simply find it funny that most people demand explanations and information on subjects of religion but this one gets a pass.
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Ah. So, you have at least a high-school level understanding of the Trinity. Well, that’s better than none at all, I suppose, and I’m glad you do NOT want to give this subject a pass.

Let’s begin with a review of the basics, shall we?
  1. In the divine nature, there are three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
  2. No one of the persons is either of the others, each is wholly himself.
  3. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.
  4. They are not three gods but one God.
With me so far? All this was in your paper, I presume?
 
Randy_Carson said:
Ah. So, you have at least a high-school level understanding of the Trinity. Well, that’s better than none at all, I suppose, and I’m glad you do NOT want to give this subject a pass.

Let’s begin with a review of the basics, shall we?
  1. In the divine nature, there are three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
  2. No one of the persons is either of the others, each is wholly himself.
  3. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.
  4. They are not three gods but one God.
With me so far? All this was in your paper, I presume?
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You are probably not going to get far talking in a condescending tone.
 
Randy_Carson said:
Ah. So, you have at least a high-school level understanding of the Trinity. Well, that’s better than none at all, I suppose, and I’m glad you do NOT want to give this subject a pass.

Let’s begin with a review of the basics, shall we?
  1. In the divine nature, there are three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
  2. No one of the persons is either of the others, each is wholly himself.
  3. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.
  4. They are not three gods but one God.
With me so far? All this was in your paper, I presume?
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I’m sure we both know this however we can just as easily question whether you were “misled” by “satan” as you deny the divinity of our Gods. “with me?”
 
Lokadottir said:
I’m sure we both know this however we can just as easily question whether you were “misled” by “satan” as you deny the divinity of our Gods. “with me?”
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No. That is you… read about the witch of Laggan.
 
Ecclesiaticus_S said:
No. That is you… read about the witch of Laggan.
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Ok seriously? You started messaging me because I’m Pagan and now your claiming I’m a Satanist? You accept this claim against pagans as truth but I could start insisting the same thing regarding Jesus!
 
Lokadottir said:
Ok seriously? You started messaging me because I’m Pagan and now your claiming I’m a Satanist? You accept this claim against pagans as truth but I could start insisting the same thing regarding Jesus!
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THIS IS BLASPHEMY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!!! :mad::mad::mad:
 
Randy_Carson said:
Ah. So, you have at least a high-school level understanding of the Trinity. Well, that’s better than none at all, I suppose, and I’m glad you do NOT want to give this subject a pass.

Let’s begin with a review of the basics, shall we?
  1. In the divine nature, there are three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
  2. No one of the persons is either of the others, each is wholly himself.
  3. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.
  4. They are not three gods but one God.
With me so far? All this was in your paper, I presume?
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yes, I know this, i simply disagree, id call that 3 gods, but the catholic belief is they are one.
 
Lokadottir said:
My apologies the inclusive you (like all y’all 😃 ).
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But it doesn’t include a lot of us. It is therefore an unfair stereotype.

This is indeed a lazy move that many Chrsitians make in order not to address the complexities of other religions.

Edwin
 
Randy_Carson said:
Okay. So, my scriptures warn me about your gods.

I’m warned.
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Does Skadi worship either Mesopotamian or Greco-Roman gods?

I thought he/she worshiped the Germanic gods, who are not mentioned in Scripture to my knowledge.

Granted, they’re recognizably similar to the Greco-Roman gods, so perhaps your remark is accurate. But I’m not sure.

Given the close connection in the Bible between empire-building and idolatry, it’s not clear to me that we should apply the Bible’s strong language to non-empire-building societies without some qualification. In fact, in the confrontation (say) between Charlemagne and the Saxons, I’m not sure that the demon-worship wasn’t more on Charlemagne’s side than on that of the pagans. It was Charlemagne, not the Saxons, who was living by the pagan (and Biblically, the demoinic) dictum “debellare superbos” (which actually means, as St. Augustine pointed out, exalting your own pride while beating down that of others).

Edwin
 
Skadi said:
yes, I know this, i simply disagree, id call that 3 gods, but the catholic belief is they are one.
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Statements like this is what makes me question your understanding of the Trinity. They are not 3 gods, they are one God.
 
Lokadottir said:
I’m sure we both know this however we can just as easily question whether you were “misled” by “satan” as you deny the divinity of our Gods. “with me?”
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“With” you? Not even a little. But I understand your point.

Since you folks have already acknowledged elsewhere that you do not worship the Creator of all things, then your gods either mythical beings who simply do not exist outside your own imaginations or storybooks or more problematically, they are real demons who manifest themselves as the beings you know in order to divert your attention away from the true God who made all things. IOW, they may be very real, but they are not what they appear to be.

As for me being misled by “satan”, let me just say this: the Catholic Church has been preaching against Satan, casting out demons, delivering people held in bondage, and preaching the Cross of Christ for over 2,000 years. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
 
Contarini said:
Does Skadi worship either Mesopotamian or Greco-Roman gods?

I thought he/she worshiped the Germanic gods, who are not mentioned in Scripture to my knowledge.

Granted, they’re recognizably similar to the Greco-Roman gods, so perhaps your remark is accurate. But I’m not sure.

Given the close connection in the Bible between empire-building and idolatry, it’s not clear to me that we should apply the Bible’s strong language to non-empire-building societies without some qualification. In fact, in the confrontation (say) between Charlemagne and the Saxons, I’m not sure that the demon-worship wasn’t more on Charlemagne’s side than on that of the pagans. It was Charlemagne, not the Saxons, who was living by the pagan (and Biblically, the demoinic) dictum “debellare superbos” (which actually means, as St. Augustine pointed out, exalting your own pride while beating down that of others).

Edwin
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Edwin-

I appreciate your efforts at being even-handed. However, the scriptural admonitions concerning false gods apply to ANY god who is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Don’t you think?
 
Randy_Carson said:
Edwin-

I appreciate your efforts at being even-handed. However, the scriptural admonitions concerning false gods apply to ANY god who is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Don’t you think?
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I would think the OT would make that clear. Yahweh is a very jealous and wrathful God, especially towards those who would lead his children away.
 
Contarini said:
But it doesn’t include a lot of us. It is therefore an unfair stereotype.

This is indeed a lazy move that many Chrsitians make in order not to address the complexities of other religions.

Edwin
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It is but I mean it more like a PSA. My apologies if I offended you or anyone else.
 
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