I’ve completely denied any servitude, worship, or existance of any God. To say you have no desire to hear what I am, or accept me is a contradiction to your faith. You’re called to be loving in all that you do, to help those who needed it most, and to lay down your life for your brothers and sisters. All those people who aren’t Christian or are incredibly wicked are still considered children of God, including people like Hitler. You laughed at me, scorned me, tried to tear me down, called me names, told me I’m wrong, and at times near spit on me. You’ve condemned me in your heart and will so be condemned by God. And you wonder why I’m sure of denying Christianity.
No, we do not believe in mindless pleasure. We believe in self controlled pleasure and a better soceity , logically harming someone for one’s own pleasure in nonsensical.
Ok, so we’re atheistic. Didn’t I already go over that?
Who decides what constitutes “harm”?
The way you presented my quote is unfair because you took it completely out of context the way you have it quoted here. This makes it look like I’m saying this is what I believe, and I absolutely DO NOT. I was saying this is what LeVeyan Satanists believe. I, being devoutly Catholic, believe Satan is a very real entity…not merely a metaphor. Please, if you are going to quote people, make sure the context is clear.
Because we don’t want the same. Logically, we realize what we do to others can be bad for them or us in the long run. “Do unto other as they do unto you.” That’s our dictum, why hurt people who’ve done nothing wrong?
Eat drink and be merry, for tommorrow we die.
What makes you think you’d get the same?
How Biblical of you.
“So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.” (Matthew 7:12)Why not, if it gives you pleasure?
I certainly agree that people who just completely throw in the towel and indulge in sin would be heading down a very dangerous road, and one that would lead to severe depression. That’s the problem with any self-gratifying behavior is, it’s great for awhile, and it may leave the person feeling happy, but it is an empty happiness. We’re all born with a conscience, and I think that literal sick feeling that people get who do this, even if they’ve had no religious direction, is their conscience trying to speak to them.
No it’s not biblical, it’s the inverse of the Christian “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Another way of putting it is “If a man smites you on one cheek, smash him on the other.” Our beliefs are not pleasure at every instance, our beliefs are mainly enjoy life, be the best you can be. There’s no contradiction in saying you cannot aimlessly seek pleasure. Without control what does it bring? Trouble. We aren’t just pleasure people, we’re about making our lives worth something through our own power. I think you’re trying to say that without God we should just be savages, but that’s not at all logical. We want to live, we’re a social species, so we can’t do it alone. We can’t be allowed to kill each other for no reason. The fact you imply we should without God or Christianity shows your lack of self control. And is probably why we need religion.What makes you think you’d get the same?
How Biblical of you.
I’m afraid I’m still having trouble understanding. It seems to me that the whole basis of your belief system is that pleasure is always good and should be sought at every opportunity. But here, you’re saying that sometimes pleasure can be bad because it sometimes has bad consequences. Is this not a contradiction?
Why not, if it gives you pleasure?
Also, you haven’t answered my question as to who decides what constitutes “harm,” if it’s different for every person.
Loki actually was a trickster, a different kind of animal, and somewhat living off the mainstream, usually by swindling: he likes to live with the Aesir, not in Jotunheim. He is also quite the coward: his relationship with Odin is like the bully’s sidekick.
One of the delusions that we will clear up at the outset of this expose is the lie that leading Satanist’s do not believe in or truly worship the devil. First of all it should be understood that Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan viewed Satan as a true entity that he truly worshipped before his death. Anton LaVey deceived a lot of people who joined the Church of Satan by claiming that Satan only represented the repressed forces of nature but was not a real entity. In my interviews with former Charles Manson family member Susan Atkins, who is still in prison after being convicted of eight murders, Atkins blew the lid off of Anton’s lie. As a former associate of Anton LaVey’s, who danced for him and spent personal time with him before joining the Manson family, Atkins was privy to conversations with LaVey before he became popular. Atkins told me repeatedly that while LaVey promotes a watered down, palatable form of Satanism to the ignorant masses which he is deceiving, he acknowledged the exact opposite to her and to his inner core of Satanist in the church of Satan. Susan Atkins told me that LaVey told her emphatically while she was in his home that they truly worshipped Satan as a real entity and as the one who began the initial rebellion against God. Atkins also stated:
I saw a movie yesterday (my step father left the TV, and I was only passively paying attention): the plot was a girl at the beginning loses her virginity, which has feared she’d be the last one at school. Her and her two friends engage in more and more sex, wondering why they are getting more and more disatisfied. Like “An indecent proposal” a Christian movie in spite of itself.
Insulting and rather pathetic. You’re just another reason why we have so many problems in the world
In your last post, you said,
That seems to contradict what you said in this post:
But doesn’t having control over yourself stifle your ability to seek and experience pleasure? How can you have complete pleasure if you must restrain yourself? It seems to me that’s the antithesis of pleasure.
Again, your quote from an earlier post contradicts this.
It’s not at all logical that you feel the need to put restraints on your pleasure-seeking when there’s no reason to do so. If pleasure is your highest ideal, why should you let anything stand in your way?
But what if that’s what gives one pleasure? How can someone be a Satanist if they’re not allowed to do what pleases them most? And who in your organization makes up and enforces these rules about what one can and cannot do to seek pleasure?
I wasn’t implying anything. I was simply asking questions. You are inferring, which I think says more about your perspective than anything else.
I’m sorry to inform you of this, but Anton LaVey lied to his own followers. He did worship satan as an actual entity, while claiming satan was just symbolic for natural human urges.
That LaVeyan Satanist block I never said. Everything has its limits, but the limits in Christianity are too short. To be harmed is a state resulting from an action of harming. How is it necessary for me to tell you that? I didn’t contradict myself, ever. You seem to think I am which puzzles me, but I’m getting very frustrated saying the same thing over and over again. Do unto others as they do unto you = If a man smites you on one cheek, smash him on the other. It’ not complicated.
No he didn’t, your prejudice just won’t let you believe we’re actually an intellegent and good breed. I’ve been to the site your ripping information from. It’s just another psychotic pseudo christian site. There’s a lot of 'em. It’s called the internet.
Susan Atkins told him that LaVey told her emphatically while she was in his home that they truly worshipped Satan as a real entity and as the one who began the initial rebellion against God. Atkins also stated: