Ask about Islam round 3!

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One woman did infiltrate one of them.

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I can believe that. You should look up Undercover Mosque on YouTube. It was filmed in secret at Regents Park Mosque in London - they deny it but they were preaching hate and selling banned material. These are people who happily live off taxpayers! Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. One muslim hate preacher is on benefits for disability - I will bet he has no problem praying like they do!
 
[16:89] ‘The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters.’

Are hadiths all contained in the Qur’an? If not, what’s the explanation?
Question in the quote
 
I read earlier - either on this site or another the excuses muslims have been using for pediphilia that still goes on into our own century.

Puberty lies of pediphiles

Take note that when a society is healthier, or more well fed, the earlier the onset of puberty - NOT the reverse. And in 7th century Arabia it is doubtful that they had the access to food as the USA, and other well-fed countries of our era.

SO IT IS A MYTH THAT MENSES HAPPENED EARLIER IN THOSE TIMES. And no where on this chart on this video does menses happen at 9 years old! There might be one or two cases of this happening to a 9 year old - but it would probably happen in a better fed society rather than the reverse!
 
I can believe that. You should look up Undercover Mosque on YouTube. It was filmed in secret at Regents Park Mosque in London - they deny it but they were preaching hate and selling banned material. These are people who happily live off taxpayers! Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. One muslim hate preacher is on benefits for disability - I will bet he has no problem praying like they do!
The ACLU should be right on them like flies on donkey dung. But, where are they? (getting saudi money probably)
 
That has no meaning. The Christians are also leaving the church business. It is a two way traffic, not one way.
Well, this is the first sensible thing you have said.

Look. Muslim Woman’s argument seems to be that the Qur’an’s ability to be memorized by Muslims is a miracle, so the Qur’an’s message must be true. I challenge that claim. Here is what you posted in #199:
  1. Think of his [Mohammed’s] ways. He told the scribes to write down the revealed verses of the Qur’an. There were more than one scribe.
  1. He informed all his friends about the new revelations and they learnt the words of the Qur’an by heart (in memory).
  1. Daily prayers were ordained for the Msulims to pray to the Only One God (Allah). During those prayers, Qur’an was loudly recited and every one heard the words. If there was any mistake, it was challenged there and then.
  1. The prophet Muhammad (The Messenger of Allah) used to lead the prayers himself too. He also recited the Qur’an and every one listened to the words carefully. There was a check and recheck going on constantly. There could be no mistake. Can you see that?
  1. The scribes were writing and the prophet listened to what they had written. If it was not what he had dictated, he would correct it at once. He did not read and write. Yet there was no problem, no mistake.
So here you have admitted that even the original eyewitness followers of Mohammed could make an error in their memory. What makes you think the memories of Muslims today are any better?

The Iliad is an ancient Greek epic poem about the Trojan War. It is much, much longer than the Qur’an and had been handed down orally from memory by the poets long before it was written down. Did the poets’ mere memorization of The Iliad make the Trojan War a true historical event? No! But according to the Islamic memorization claim, it would be, even though to historians it is still an open question.

However, I will state that the ability to memorize is a miracle of God’s creation, but mere memorization is not knowledge. Plus, everyone has the ability to memorize to some extent. The ability of the human mind to know something is the real miracle.

I have said many times here that mere memorization of a text doesn’t make its message true. Truth is knowledge; mere memorization is not.
 
The ACLU should be right on them like flies on donkey dung. But, where are they? (getting saudi money probably)
This is off-topic, but my sincere belief is that the ACLU opposes anything that builds up society and for anything that tears it down. According to attorney/author Heather MacDonald, the ACLU doesn’t even believe there is such a thing as a legitimate police investigation.
 
This is off-topic, but my sincere belief is that the ACLU opposes anything that builds up society and for anything that tears it down. According to attorney/author Heather MacDonald, the ACLU doesn’t even believe there is such a thing as a legitimate police investigation.
Yeah, that is why the Thomas More Law Center has my contributions!
 
Yeah, I almost forgot that the mosque originally brought up for discussion was in the UK.

We have the same problem here though. And we have some schools, financed by tax dollars, that the ACLU should be tending to. Actually, the most well known one - and I forget where it is located at, I am in a rush to get out of here - is being taken to task by the ACLU. So, they minimally do go after these guys but only after more than a year of people complaining. While they are on grade schools, etc the same day a person says that someone mentioned God/Jesus!

But the ACLU is noticably absent with the ‘pray/dress like a muslim day’. Now here is where the muslims should be ‘praying/dressing like a dhimmi day’ in return - but no one wants to offend them. 🤷 And the ACLU has allowed segregation to go unchallenged (which is the worst of setting one group up as superior over another group), and other things.

Well, I really do have to go now.
 
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Salaam/peace

Revealation came during 23 years . In many occasions , people were around him .

related link:

COMPARISON of BIBLE & QURAN-

[Dr. Gary Miller- with Commentary by Yusuf Estes]

Bible is Collection of Writings -
Quran is Recitation From God to Muhammad (p)

islamtomorrow.com/articles/Bible_vs_Quran.asp
So aside from Mohammed, many of his followers also witnessed his conversation with the angel?
 
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no one can change/ add /delete any word of Quran. Because millions people have Quran in memory & they will catch the corruption at once. Followers of other holy books did not bother to memorise their holy book in memory. So , it’s easy for anyone to edit the text.
What I am asking was "What is the RESULT of memorizing Quran??? Does Quran ever yield a person such as Mother Theresa, for instance???
 
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Translation is not Quran . God promisted to safe Quran from corruptoin. Don’t know any promise of God to save translation , too. Translators are human being . So , it’s possible for them to make mistakes. But it’s easy to find it out as Quran is intact all over the world & Quran is in heart of millions . Also , each adult Muslims know at least few chapters of Quran.
You are talking about Quran according to Utsman or Muhammad?
 
**B L, nobody was losing faith in Islam. It was necessary to provide an authentic copy of the Quran to all the world. Islam had spread to vast areas. It was necessary to provide an good authentic compiled copy of the Quran to every one and that is with us even now.

What harm is there if any wrong copies were destroyed even though there is no proof of such things. There were no differences of text.It was only a matter of different dialect.**
I agree that it is necessary to provide authentic copy of Quran all over the world. The problem is where is the original one to make sure that “authentic” copy are really true and without mistake?
 
This is not true - there have been numerous Eucharistic Miracles over the centuries. If you google “Eucharistic Miracles” you will find them. 👍 (BTW these are miracles of Jesus’ Real Presence in the Eucharist. Muslims claim Jesus was just a prophet so by your standards these should count. 😉 although by their very existence they prove Muhammad wrong. 😉 )

I’m sure there are also many other miracles happening in the world today, all because of the Power of Almighty God! 🙂
Never mind, Jay. Logically a book full of errors but deemed to be the authentic word of God is a miracle to survive for 1400 years. At least to the believer.
 
** Muhammad was guided by Allah all the time. He did not do anything from himself. Everything he did was as guided by Allah.
  1. Think of his ways. He told the scribes to write down the revealed verses of the Quran. There were more than one scibe.
  2. He informed all his friends about the new revelations and they learnt the words of the Quran by heart (in memory).
  3. Daily prayers were ordained for the Msulims topray to the Only One God (Allah). During those prayers, Quran was loudly recited and every one heard the words. If there was any mistake, it was challenged there and then.
  4. The prophet Muhammad (The Messenger of Allah) used to lead the prayers himself too. He also recited the Qurana nd every one listened to the words carefully. There was a check and recheck going on constantly. There could be no mistake. Can you see that?
  5. The scribes were writing and the prophet listened to what they had written. If it was not what he had dictated, he would correct it at once. He did not read and write. Yet there was no problem,no mistake.
  6. The angel (Gabriel) who revealed the Quran on the heart of Messenger Muhammad used to visit Muhammad once every year in the month of Ramadhan. He used to recite and remind all the revealed part of the Quran to Muhammad. This was done for 23 years.
  7. In the last year of the life of Muhammad, the angel recited the whole Quran to Muhammad twice in the month of Ramadhan. It is for this reason that all Muslims all over the world recite the complete Quran in the month of Ramadhan or they lsiten to all the Quran during (29/30 days) night prayer in the fasting month of Ramadhan. There are Hafiz who know the whole Quran by heart and they lead the prayers.
These are some of the good things that the Muslims are doing now even if they do not understand the philosophy of their sacred book. But they are holding on to it and progressing in the matter of the safety (preservation) of the Quran. It is true that there is no revealed book in the world now except the Quran.**
You still have not answer me as how come Mary, the mother of God is mentioned as the sister of Aaron, who were separated by 1500 years. Remember, a Jewish female can never be a priest. So, your last explanation is not logical.
 
You still have not answer me as how come Mary, the mother of God is mentioned as the sister of Aaron, who were separated by 1500 years. Remember, a Jewish female can never be a priest. So, your last explanation is not logical.
I think Muslims consider Mary the spiritual sister of Aron.

From what I’ve seen, Muslims interpret seem to interpret the Qu’ran either historically or spiritually, for example, Jesus was not crucified (historical) and Mary is the sister of Aron (spiritual).

But that’s just my understanding 🤷
 
Many Jews and Christians have memorized large portions of the Bible. So your statement is false.

Even if your claim “only Quran has this characteristic that its followers can have it in memory”] were true, having the capability to be memorized does not make its message true. I can teach any kid to memorize, “Two plus two equals five.” Does that make two plus two five?
That what I am asking over and over again. What comes out of the good exercise of memory, memorizing Quran, but yield nothing ??
 
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