Ask about Islam round 3!

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Please quote any story of Muhammad performing any miracle.

…All previous miracles were limited by time and place, i.e., they were shown to specific people at a specific time. Not so the miracle of Muhammad (p) , the Qur’an. It is a universal and everlasting miracle.

…Besides the revelation of the Qur’an, the Prophet of Islam had performed many material miracles

(1) Splitting of the Moon:

Almighty Allah says, “The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder.” (An-Najm: 1)

Imam al-Bukhari reported … “The moon was cleft asunder while we were in the company of the Prophet, and it became two parts. The Prophet said, “Witness, witness (this miracle).”

(2) Food Multiplication:

Jabir reported: My father had died in debt. So I came to the Prophet and said, “My father (died) leaving unpaid debts, and I have nothing except the yield of his date palms; and their yield for many years will not cover his debts. So please come with me, so that the creditors may not misbehave with me.” The Prophet went round one of the heaps of dates and invoked (Allah), and then did the same with another heap and sat on it and said, “Measure (for them).” He paid them their rights and what remained was as much as had been paid to them.

(3) Water Multiplication:

`Abdullah reported: We used to consider miracles as Allah’s Blessings, but you people consider them to be a warning. Once we were with Allah’s Messenger on a journey, and we ran short of water. He said, “Bring the water remaining with you.” The people brought a utensil containing a little water. He placed his hand in it and said, “Come to the blessed water, and the Blessing is from Allah.” I saw the water flowing from among the fingers of Allah’s Messenger, and no doubt, we heard the meal glorifying Allah, when it was being eaten (by him). (Reported by al-Bukhari)

(4) Crying of the stem of the Date-palm Tree:

Al-Bukhari reported on the authority of Ibn `Umar who said: The Prophet used to deliver his sermons while standing beside a trunk of a date-palm. When he had the pulpit made, he used it instead. The trunk started crying and the Prophet went to it, rubbing his hand over it (to stop its crying).

(5) The Prophet’s Night Journey to Jerusalem and Ascent to the Heavens:

The opening verse of surat al-Isra’ relates the miracle of the Prophet’s night journey to Jerusalem. Regarding the Statement of Allah, “And We granted the vision (Ascension to the heavens) which We made you see (as an actual eye witness) was only made as a trial for the people.” (Al-Isra’: 60) Ibn `Abbas added: “The sights which Allah’s Messenger was shown on the Night Journey when he was taken to Bayt-ul-Maqdis (i.e. Jerusalem) were actual sights, (not dreams). And the Cursed Tree (mentioned) in the Qur’an is the tree of Zaqqum (itself).”

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[Eucharisted]

Do Muslims venerate Mohammed? And if so, how?

 

[Eucharisted]

How was Mohammed sinless? Was it in transmitting the Qu’ran or was it in not committing sins? Or was it both?

In regards to the moon splitting, was it an eclipse? Is the miracel understood metaphorically?

 

[planten]

You still have not answer me as how come Mary, the mother of God is mentioned as the sister of Aaron, who were separated by 1500 years. Remember, a Jewish female can never be a priest. So, your last explanation is not logical.

**Swariffin, I had given a detailed reply. You do not know where Mary was living and what she was doing before becoming pregnant in the temple. You do not know why she was in the temple as a first question. You do not know that Mary and her mother were hailing from the Levites. They belonged to Imran, the father of Moses a.s.

Quran is calling her the sister of Aaron. Why Quran does not call her the sister of Moses? Have you thought about that? The Quranic description is far ahead of the church thinking. Church does not teach you these things because these things prove the truth of the Quran, far ahead of your bible.

You should know what was the duties of Aaron. Then you should know what were the duties of Mary under the care of zakariya a.s. in the temple. Then you will understand why Quran calls “O sister of Aaron…”

The Jews of that time respected Mary very much and they knew her status very well. But you do not know it because the church does not tell you (the truth). Moreover, you are a convert, a new Catholic who left islam. It means your were a very poor Muslim to start with. You knew nothing about Islam. But there is no harm in learning some of the good things at any time.**

 

[planten]

More on the same lines:

**Al-Quran 19:27, When she (Mary) brought him (Jesus) to her people carried (on a mule, ridden), they (The high grade Jewish people) said, “O, Mary, You have brought a strange (wonderful) thing.”

Al Quran 19:28, “O, sister of Aaron, your father was not any bad man nor was your mother any mutinous (rebellious) lady.”

Al-Quran 19:29, She (Mary) pointed to him (Jesus). They said, “How can we speak (discuss) things to a one who had been a child in the cradle.”. (See the word “Kaana” for the past tense.)

Al-Quran 19:30, He (Jesus) said, " I am a servant of Allah (Abdullah). He has given me the book and He has made me a prophet."

Al-Quran 19:31, “And He has made me blessed where ever I may be. And he has willed (ordered) that I keep up daily prayers and I give the poor money as long as I live.”

Al-Quran 19:32, “And He has enjoined upon me that I be very kind and loving to my mother (Mary) and He (God) has not made me insolent, hard hearted person.”

Al-Quran, “And there is peace upon me the day I was born and the day I die and the day that I am raised to life again(Resurrected).”**

My comments:

**The above is a good descriptive of a grown up man (Jesus). When he had started his ministry (Preaching) the misbehaving Jewish clergy was trapped. They were exposed because they were doing all bad things. (Some sample of that can be seen in the bibleNT too when Jesus entered Jerusalem and turned the tables there.)

When the Jewish elders were exposed and trapped and they were in great difficulty, they first approached the mother of Jesus for some help. Might she restrain her son and bring her under control about his severe preaching. They (elders) knew the good position of Mary amongst her people. They had great respect for her as a previous servant of the temple.

So, they approached her (Mary) and addressed her respectfully, " O sister of Aaron, You have brought a strange thing to us. your father was never a bad man nor was your mother any rebellious lady (rebelling against Judaism).

She did not reply and did not give any lecture to the Jews. She was forbidden to make any speeches (Verse 19:26) when Jesus was born. She simply referred the Jews matter back to Jesus.

In other words, she said, " You are jewish elders, the religious leaders. He (Jesus) is also talking about religion, i.e. Judaism. You please discuss everything with him. Do not disturb me."

The elders said ," How can we discuss anything with the one who had been a child in the cradle." Meaning that Jesus was like a child for them in the cradle. He was no match for them and their high status.

At that time, Jesus spoke out about himself that he was an obedient servant of God and that God had given him a book and made him a prophet and that … **

 

[dzheremi]

And I’m afraid you are going to be disappointed, Jharek, because I am not a native Arabic speaker. Far from it. Ask your question to inJESUS or Sam_777. They are both native speakers. I would be interested to see their answers, too.

 

[sedonaman]

You have three guesses, and the first two don’t count.

 

[R_not]

Here is something that I find sad in islam. Because mohammed lusted after his stepson’s wife and took her because ‘allah said it was ok’, he made a command that there be no adoption in islam - just in case any of his followers lusted after a wife like he did.

No adoption in islam

Now, keep in mind there is still Slavery in islam!

Here are some quotes:

Islam prohibits adopting children. Period. Adoption in the technical sense is not allowed in Muslim Shriah law. This is because Allah does not like this gesture of adopting orphan children. Muhammad Rushed Ridha states, “Allah prohibited adoption in Islam and annulled all the judgements pertaining to adoption. The most important one of which was the prohibition of the wife of the adopted son to the fostering father as though he is the natural father. So Allah commanded his prophet to marry Zainab Bint Jahsh in order to abolish pagan custom (Fatawa al-Imam).” Al-sabuni states, “As to Zainab Bint Jahsh, the Messenger of Allah married for no higher wisdom than to abolish the heresy of adoption (A-sabuni).”

I don’t know, how in the world Allah could dislike such noble deeds. I am not sure what percentage of Muslims actually knows this divine law. I do admit that I never knew this and, I was stunned when I first learnt this from a real Mullah. How and why was this noble custom among human being prohibited? We shall learn this history later in this essay.

before islam - adoption was practiced - mohammed even had adopted children.

after islam - no adoption in case the muslim male lusted after their wives!

Now, what mohammed did was not without dissent. Others grumbled about what mohammed did with his stepson’s wife.

I would suggest reading the whole article, but here is the last two paragraphs:

To summarize, the logical difficulty is that Allah (?) causes a scandal and then sends Gabriel to officially justify the scandalous action of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) with Qur’anic revelations is morally incorrect and too much of a coincidence.

Some after thoughts: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) cannot get away from the culpability of this salacious behavior of his with Zainab. If he had this forthrightness in his mind, he would have vigorously fight with his conscience and not allow this marriage to go through. But the reality was quite the opposite. He had surrendered to his passion and thus had marred his “unblemished” character. If all the Muslims in the present-day world follow Muhammad’s inglorious example, seduce theirs daughter-in-law, and then cause a divorce and then to add insult to the injury marry her, what would happen then? Just think the consequences. In more enlightened society if a man does what Mohammad (pbuh) did with Zainab he would be looked up as a lascivious character. Not all the Qur’anic Ayats of this world will be able to change that. To have faith is one thing, but to have a blind faith is another matter, altogether!

 

[dzheremi]

Why is adoption “heresy”?

 

[sedonaman]

So have I. One then wonders why Muslims would come to a site like this and advocate Islam’s truth through debate. In fact, we might even conclude that their using debate makes them bad Muslims. Christianity * encourages debate because it leads to more truth about God.

Having said that, I am convinced that debate on the truth of Islam is not only not encouraged in the Muslim world, but too many questions can lead to punishment. Why? Because this type of questioning is the Socratic Method which is foreign to Muslims, as their method of reasoning is foreign to us. Thus, debates about the truth of Islam quickly reach a point where the Muslim is left with no alternative but just to keep on repeating what the Qur’an says, as though repetition itself somehow constitutes proof, or resort to ad hominem attacks [see “Talking Ants in the Qur’an?” http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Menj/ants.htm* ]. But more important of all, debate would expose Islam for what it is, and it would be doomed.

I think a lot of this is also due to the fact that the Qur’an, despite being the “perfect word of Allah”, doesn’t answer some basic questions about Allah, man, and the rest of creation as the Bible does. This lack is almost prima facie evidence that it is not the “perfect word of Allah” as it claims to be.

Lack of answers to such questions quickly lead to some conclusions embarrassing for Muslims. For example, we maintain that God’s nature can be known as well as His will. In fact, Genesis starts out by explaining something about God’s nature; it isn’t until later that we are told something about His will.

Muslims maintain that only Allah’s will can be known. They also maintain that Allah is not bound by anything, so his will can change at any time. So how does a man know what to do today to please Allah and gain heaven tomorrow? ← Example of embarrassing question] Muslims will more than likely point to the Qur’an as the source of knowing Allah’s will, and we have the assurances of those such as Muslim Woman and planten that the Qur’an has not changed by so much as a single word since it was written down 1,400 years ago. So if Allah is not bound by anything, and if the Qur’an has not changed, how do Muslims know Allah’s will has not changed sometime in the last 1,400 years? ← Another example of embarrassing question] How could they know? ← Another example of embarrassing question] Since the Qur’an has not changed, and telephones were not invented until the mid 19th century, it is safe to conclude that telephones are not mentioned in the Qur’an. Is it moral to make a phone call? ← Another example of embarrassing question] How could Muslims know?

Islam has no concept of the Golden Rule because, according to its doctrine, humanity and the world are divided: There is the “house of Islam” and “the house of war” which enables Muslims to claim that all their wars are “defensive” because there wouldn’t be any war if “the house of war” didn’t exist. There are Muslims [the “best of peoples”] and kafirs, a sub-species üntermenchen, if you will] who can be mistreated as a reminder of their inferior status. This alone, in my opinion, disqualifies Islam from the status of a religion; and, as Brahmachari observes, “The Qur’an does not appear to have been made by God. … The behavioral pattern of Allah, as reflected in the Qur’an, reveals him as a partisan deity, similar to a Mafia don or the leader of a criminal gang, who seeks to gain control over the entire world to establish himself as its sole ruler through bloodshed and terror.”

Therefore, the inescapable conclusion is that nothing could be further from the truth than to claim, “We all worship the same God.”

 

[R_not]

I really enjoyed your post, sedonaman.

I have seen how they deal with questions they don’t want to deal with… ignore them, some have told us we (me and some others) are kufir (so we are eligible to be killed by islamic standards), tell us we are going to hell, they will deflect by saying we are bad Christians, or they will even start bashing Jesus or Mary (even though their koran doesn’t bash them like they have done).

And in islam there is predestination. but, it goes back to what you are saying in that regards too. Since in islam there is a command to do ‘good works’ - allah, or mohammed, sort of forgot to say how many ‘good works’, or what kind, or if they do such things does that by pass predestination.

And what about suicide bombers (which really are not suicide bombers - but shahid). Does getting oneself killed trying to kill a non-muslim - does that bypass predestination? It certainly seems to brighten up the community since they have celebrations over such a deed. I guess they are hoping they are one of the 70 that are named, and saved, by the shahid to allah.

the religion part of islam is really iffy in regards to salvation when predestination comes into play. Why do anything if they are already predestined? And that rock they kiss - well, they believe that has consciousness and will speak for them at death too. It will speak either for or against them at on Judgement Day. hypocracies in islam

Now why is there a Judgement Day if there is predestination? They were already categorized way before Judgement Day.

I have posted Walid Shoebat’s radio interview that talks about the celebrations of shahid, if you want it again - let me know.

The same with predestination in islam - if you want the website again - I can give it to you.

 

[sedonaman]

Since in islam there is a command to do ‘good works’ - allah, or mohammed, sort of forgot to say how many ‘good works’, or what kind, or if they do such things does that by pass predestination.

Not only that, but the unwary don’t realize that “good works” mean “good works for Muslims only”. We found this out when * Muslim Woman said Muslims have certain “rights” in the form of help from fellow Muslims in need. She also said not everyone has equal rights. So a Muslim doesn’t have to help kafir in need.

the religion part of islam is really iffy in regards to salvation when predestination comes into play. Why do anything if they are already predestined?

That’s always been the problem with pre-destination. Besides, the religion part of Islam is the smallest part of its foundational texts.

And that rock they kiss - well, they believe that has consciousness and will speak for them at death too.

They kiss rocks and say we worship Mary. Thanks for reminding me of this point.

Now why is there a Judgement Day if there is predestination? They were already categorized way before Judgement Day.

Great point!

I have posted Walid Shoebat’s radio interview that talks about the celebrations of shahid…

Is that his series on YouTube?

P.S. Thanks for your kind words.*

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

What I am asking was "What is the RESULT of memorizing Quran???

Muslims believed for uttering each letter of holy Quran , we will be rewarded on the Judgment Day. Also , have Quran in memory is one of the ways to protect it from corruption. If anyone wants to make any changes in Quran , Muslims can catch the culprit immediately.

Quran was memorised since the coming of the revealation. Many Qurani Hafizz were available at that time , millions are available now & God Willing in future they will be present. Quran competition takes place each year in many countries including in the west .

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Why is adoption “heresy”?

the rule for adoption is kids must be identified by his/her real father. Those who adopt kids will be considered as guardian. One’s own identity i.e name of father must not be changed.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

… Mary, the mother of God is mentioned as the sister of Aaron,.

It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter 1 verse 1

“Jesus Christ, the son of David,…”.[Mathew 1:1]

How do u explain this Biblical verse ? Surely u don’t think God made a mistake here ?

related link:

ilovezakirnaik.com/misconceptions/d02.htm

 

[R_not]

Not only that, but the unwary don’t realize that “good works” mean “good works for Muslims only”. We found this out when * Muslim Woman said Muslims have certain “rights” in the form of help from fellow Muslims in need. She also said not everyone has equal rights. So a Muslim doesn’t have to help kafir in need.

That’s always been the problem with pre-destination. Besides, the religion part of Islam is the smallest part of its foundational texts.

They kiss rocks and say we worship Mary. Thanks for reminding me of this point.

Great point!

Is that his series on YouTube?

P.S. Thanks for your kind words.*

Walid Shoebat Shoebat’s experiences with what he was taught in islam..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1 December 13, 2008.

hypocracies in islam

The above website is an article that really goes into some of the depravities of islam! I mean there is stuff in there that I just learned by reading it recently - they actually believe the black stone is conscious - I mean how many times have we heard that WE worship statues and tried to explain to them that we do not and those statues and pictures are art (sometiems poor art, but art nonetheless!).

We hear Muslims believe the Black Stone circled in Mecca is conscious and will testify for and against them on Judgment Day (though they will deny it, the stone and ritual is based on a pagan deity). Meanwhile Muslims all over the world gleefully bring down ‘un-Islamic’ idols, statues, and figures representing deities in other religions. The physical manifestation of Allah, in the form of a conscience stone, is an important core of Muslims’ connection with deity

 

[planten]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter 1 verse 1

“Jesus Christ, the son of David,…”.[Mathew 1:1]

How do u explain this Biblical verse ? Surely u don’t think God made a mistake here ?

related link:

ilovezakirnaik.com/misconceptions/d02.htm

M W, Beautiful post and a good reminder from you, to all of us here. While I considered the birth of Jesus as a miracle, yet I considered him a prince. Not a prince of peace but real prince, heir to the throne of David.

Now because of the above post it is proved that Jesus was indeed a prince. And hailing from King David, he could not be any prince of peace. Because King David never saw peace and never ushered in any peace in the world around him. Jesus also denied about the Peace.

In some verse, Jesus said ,“Don’t think I have come to make peace in the world…” So Jesus cannot be called a prince of Peace. He can however be called a prince only. He cannot be called a king. A king is different to a prince.

The Christians believe that Jesus went away at the age of 33 years. He never had any kingdom. In fact when Jesus was confronted on that issue during his trial, he denied being any king or having any kingdom. He said that his kingdom was not of this world. His kingdom was of the next world.

That is alright. We Muslims are ready to believe that his kingdom is of next world. The christians should please come to the real terms being used in this world, that is the King, the son, and the Father etc. Use real terminology only. Do not call the world to your unreal terms. Thanks.

 

[dzheremi]

Just for future reference, it seems that “zakirnaikisanidiot.com” remains unused…

 

[planten]

Just for future reference, it seems that “zakirnaikisanidiot.com” remains unused…

dzhereme, please be sensible and come to the field with good ideas if you have any from your book bibleNT. The last two posts here have been some kind of dog fight in secret language.

 

[Sam_777]

And I’m afraid you are going to be disappointed, Jharek, because I am not a native Arabic speaker. Far from it. Ask your question to inJESUS or Sam_777. They are both native speakers. I would be interested to see their answers, too.

:hug1: dzheremi you should practice your Arabic skills from time to time, and no problem all of us do mistakes, inJESUS & I are here to assist you.

However, regarding (name removed by moderator) question, the Quran once calling her “sister of Aaron” and in another verse as “daughter of Amram” (Quran 19:28), (Quran 66:12).

Here is what Ibn-Kather commentary says:

تفسير ابن كثير:
وقوله تعالى " ومريم ابنة عمران التي أحصنت فرجها " أي حفظته وصانته والإحصان هو العفاف والحرية " فنفخنا فيه من روحنا " أي بواسطة الملك وهو جبريل فإن الله بعثه إليها فتمثل لها في صورة بشر سوي وأمره الله تعالى أن ينفخ بفيه في جيب درعها فنزلت النفخة فولجت في فرجها فكان منه الحمل بعيسى عليه السلام

تفسير ابن كثير:
أمرا عظيما " يا أخت هارون " أي شبيهة هارون في العبادة " ما كان أبوك امرأ سوء وما كانت أمك بغيا " أي أنت من بيت طيب طاهر معروف بالصلاح والعبادة والزهادة فكيف صدر هذا منك
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However, for (Quran 66:12), there is no indication in the original text nor in the commentary to indicate that as symbolic, therefore I would take that literally.