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planten
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No such thing. Absolutely false report.
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planten
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Was Jesus smiling on the Cross? he must have been all smiles on the cross because he did not want to drink that cup and it was forced on him by a supposed beloved father. What a father!.
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Jay53
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Are you referring to this:
or, more literally this: (although a sponge was used and not a cup)
Sorry, I just don’t understand to what you are referring.
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sedonaman
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What does this have to do with Mohammad’s discovering that you can use force get people to do what you want? What a prophet !!!
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sedonaman
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He might be referring to Jesus’ praying in the garden, “Take this cup from me if it be thy will, but thy will be done, not mine.”
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Jay53
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OK, I thought of that too, but he said on the cross, so I wasn’t sure. To be honest, I’m not even sure what his point is, but hopefully he’ll clarify it.
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sedonaman
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Have you ever gotten him to clarify something?
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Jay53
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Have you ever gotten him to clarify something?
If he’s anything like some other posters he’ll completely ignore my question, but quote it and then post something either completely unrelated or expound on one minute point that isn’t the point of the question.
But, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and wait and see. 
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
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Salaam/peace
defenseless ?? huh
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Reuben_J
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There is a couple of Borats here as mentioned by someone earlier on. You have to read and know his mind to know what he’s trying to say. It is not an easy thing to do but if you can pass that hurdle and with a little luck you may get into his head and whatever that’s inside it.
Are you referring to this:
or, more literally this: (although a sponge was used and not a cup)
Sorry, I just don’t understand to what you are referring.
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
Salaam/peace
That’s the most important part of his teaching as our salvation depends on it. If we take other deity besides God , no one can save us from His anger & punishment.
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Jay53
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Reuben_J
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Jesus is the salvation. Nothing beats that. Believe in Him and be saved, unbelieve and be damned.
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Muslim_Woman
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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **
Salaam/ Peace
huh who ordered then to destroy the whole city of the disbelievers ? Was it Muhammed (pbuh) ?
Reuben J : Jesus is the salvation.
Like us , Jesus (pbuh) also had God & Jesus (p) never forget to pray to God …he prayed like Muslims… made prostration on ground . So , it’s better to pray to God only for our salavation.
Salaam/ Peace
huh who ordered then to destroy the whole city of the disbelievers ? Was it Muhammed (pbuh) ? Reuben J : Jesus is the salvation.
Like us , Jesus (pbuh) also had God & Jesus (p) never forget to pray to God …he prayed like Muslims… made prostration on ground . So , it’s better to pray to God only for our salavation.
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Reuben_J
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Yes, that’s true. Jesus wanted us to be like him. He is the ultimate example that human kinds have ever known. Only a human can teach another human what to do. God has become human.
Believe in Jesus and be saved. Unbelieve and be damned.
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Jay53
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Are you referring once again to the OT?I believe this has been discussed ad nauseum. I know that I, myself, have discussed with you the fact that Jesus was not human in the OT because then you always come back with, ‘But don’t you think Jesus is God, was He not there then’ or some such similar statement. Please refer to those threads as I really don’t wish to go through it again.
If you are not referring to the OT, please give me the verse where Jesus either killed anyone or ordered anyone to be killed.
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jakasaki
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There is a verse in the koran about praying times…
Chapter 24 - #58
O you who believe! Let your legal slaves and slave-girls, and those among you who have not come to the age of puberty ask your permission (before they come to your presence) on **three **occasions;
**before Fajr (morning) prayer
and while you put off your clothes for the noonday (rest), Dhuhr
and after the ‘Isha’ (late-night) prayer.**
(These) three times are of privacy for you, other than these times there is no sin on you or on them to move about, attending (helping) you each other.
Thus Allah makes clear the Ayat (the Verses of this Quran, showing proofs for the legal aspects of permission for visits, etc.) to you. And Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
OK, so the question is if the koran states 3 prayer times, why do muslims perform 5 prayers a day?
Thank you!
Chapter 24 - #58
O you who believe! Let your legal slaves and slave-girls, and those among you who have not come to the age of puberty ask your permission (before they come to your presence) on **three **occasions;
**before Fajr (morning) prayer
and while you put off your clothes for the noonday (rest), Dhuhr
and after the ‘Isha’ (late-night) prayer.**
(These) three times are of privacy for you, other than these times there is no sin on you or on them to move about, attending (helping) you each other.
Thus Allah makes clear the Ayat (the Verses of this Quran, showing proofs for the legal aspects of permission for visits, etc.) to you. And Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
OK, so the question is if the koran states 3 prayer times, why do muslims perform 5 prayers a day?
Thank you!
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planten
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jakasaki, these are not the three prayer times. There is no secrecy during prayer. These three are the rest and privacy times.
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jakasaki
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Hi Planten, thanks!.. but I don’t understand what you mean.
Please explain…
If the chapter and verse# I provided are not prayer times, what are they?
Fajr is a morning prayer is it not?
Dhuhr is a noon prayer is it not?
Isha is a late night prayer is it not?
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planten
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That is correct. The times for privacy had to be with reference to some known tmings. So, Fajr and Dhuhr are mentioned.
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