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And, just who does the Koran identify as being innocent?

Sura 9:29-31, “Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book [Christians and Jews], until they pay the jizya [tribute] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. The Jews call Uzair [Ezra] a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God … God’s curse be on them.”
Read that verse again. If there is a word Kafir in it then be informed that kafir is an enemy of Islam. The people who argued and tried to kill Jesus were also kafirs. So if the word kafir is used in that verse then it is legal and valid to fight against them. They are not innocent people.
Muhammad said, “A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah’s cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it” (4:50). Again he said, “Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords.” (4:73). “My livelihood is under the shade of my spear, and he who disobeys my orders will be humiliated by paying Jizya” ( 4:162b).
** Perhaps you are now trying to mislead people by using the Hadith. Please come to the Quran first.**
Muhammad said, “I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshiped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshiped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah (either to punish him or to forgive him.)” (4:196 ).
Reply is same as above because you have tried to use some Hadith here.
Please note, that I am not a brother of the book, so your “Christian and Jews are even worse than us” mind tricks work naught on me.
I could not understand what you are and what you are not and what you want to convey to me. Thanks.
 
I am sorry, I forgot to mention. That was my post in reply to R_Not. Not to you. So Please forget it. Let the poster make the reply. And my objections to christian faith stand, for R_not to reply.
 
Planten mostly follows the strategy presented in his book: criticising other religions than Islam on the basis of how Mohammad and the authors of the Koran viewed them (mistaken assumptions and slanders) rather than what those faiths actually taught.

Welcome to the the world of the rotten Islamic mentality 😉
 
My reply to you R_Not is the same that I gave to Lance recently. Muhammad did not make any secret marriage like did Jesus. Muhammad did not produce any secret child like Jesus had a son from Mary Magd.
That is blasphemy “planten” :tsktsk:, since God doesn’t marry like all of you earthy humans, so is his Son.
**The birth of Jesus was also bad. Could not be considered legal birth by any means. **
It seems you aren’t reading Quran :banghead:, or you also don’t agree with Allah’s words in Quran :ehh:.
(Quran 21:91):
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a Sign for all peoples.”

(Quran 66:12):
And Maryam, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of his Revelations, and was one of the devout (Servants).
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**This illegal birth of Jesus and his illegal production of a son will remain a big question forever for the christians to explain.
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I’m too angry with you now :mad:.
 
Dear (name removed by moderator),Not only muslim woman but also lots of muslims(I just can say about my countrymen because I do not meet with others) think like that.In my country some so called educated persons believe the same thing and they openly discuss about it;like western women are public property and only Islam can show them the way or free them from this sexual slavery etc etc.And even some people think that western people do sexual intercourse with many people:eek: .I mean they believe that all western men have more than 1 girlfriend and women have more than 1 boy friend in the same time,and they do sexual intercourse with all of them by turn!!!And they(these muslims who think worst about westerns)also poison others mind by spreading this lie!It is a real disaster:(
 
Salaam/peace

if people outside the west really have a wrong idea about western society , western media is to blame a lot . Also churches . They allow gay marriage , gay priest / pastor etc.

I read in several news items ( not only from Islamic sources ) where it’s mentioned a western man normally spend time with 6 to 9 women in his married life.
Many women ( who are not pross) don’t know who is the father of her child etc etc.

If people in the west can accept all these things , it’s a wonder how they can’t understand limited legal polygamy which is also allowed regarding their holy book.
 
Salaam/peace

Pablo - United States

Question:…I have read that in many Islamic nations - Iraq and Syria mostly - Mary has a prominent place within the hearts of Muslims. Is this the case?

If so, how and what are the Islamic theological foundations for this role vis a vis Christianity?

Name of Counselor: Nabil Haroun

Answer:…

No faith or holy book has honored Virgin Mary and held her in high esteem as did Islam and the Holy Qur’an, not even the Bible.

A full-chapter of the Qur’an was titled Maryam (Arabic of Mary).

You would also find that simply many Muslims love to call their daughters Maryam out of love and respect.

The Holy Qur’an portrays the character and merits of Virgin Mary since her birth till her miraculous pregnancy and birth of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him).

In doing so, Qur’an, which is a divinely revealed book, does not give much emphasis on detailing the events. This is typical of human authors, as it is outlining the significance, wisdom and lessons learnt.

Thus the virtues, high status and moral excellence of Virgin Mary are exposed: a chaste and pious human woman who was chosen, purified, and preferred over all of the women of creation to be the one to give birth to the Messenger Jesus through the command of God. This is without any father whatsoever.

The following are quotations from the English interpretations of some Qur’anic verses, which narrate the story of Virgin Mary. These citations, if read in their original Arabic text - with its inimitable divine eloquence and superb rhetoric - are so moving that they bring tears into the eyes of Arab listeners, Muslims and Christians alike.

Surah 66, verses 12:

{…and Mary, daughter of `Imran, who attended to her private parts [guarded her chastity, so We breathed in it of Our Spirit (Gabriel)], and she sincerely believed in the Words of her Lord, and His Books; and she was one of the devout.}

Surah 3, verses 42 – 43:

{And [remember] when the angels said: O Mary! Verily, Allah has chosen you, purified you, and chosen you above the women of the worlds. O Mary! Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord [Allah] and prostrate yourself, and bow down along with those who bow down [for Him].}

Surah 19 - named after her name: Maryam, verses 16 - 31:

*{And mention in the Book Mary, when she withdrew in seclusion from her family to a place facing east. She placed a screen from them; then We sent to her Our Spirit [Gabriel], and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.

She said: Verily, I seek refuge with the Most Gracious [Allah] from you, if you do fear Allah. He said: I am only a messenger from your Lord, [to announce] to you the gift of a righteous son.

She said: How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste? He said: So [it will be], your Lord said: 'That is easy for Me [Allah]’.

And [We wish] to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us [Allah], and it is a matter [already] decreed [by Allah].

So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a date palm.

She said: “Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!” Then (one) cried from beneath her, saying: “Grieve not: your Lord has provided a water stream under you. And shake the trunk of date palm towards you, it will let fall fresh ripe dates upon you. So eat and drink and be glad.

And if you see any human being, say: ‘Verily, I have vowed a fast unto the Most Gracious [Allah] so I shall not speak to any human being this day.’”

Then she brought him [the baby] to her people, carrying him. They said: “O Mary! Indeed you have brought a fabricated thing. O sister * of Aaron! Your father was not a man who used to commit adultery, nor your mother was an unchaste woman.”

Then she pointed to him. They said: “How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?” He (Jesus) said:

“Verily, I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet; And He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me prayer, and zakat (alms), as long as I live.}*

For more, read also in Surah 3 – named after the Household of `Imran, verses 33 - 38, 44 – 47, in Surah 4, verses 155 – 162 and Surah 21, verses 91-91.

Also Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has pointed out to the status of Virgin Mary in Islam when he said:

“The best of the world’s women is Mary.”

He also said:

“Among women none attained perfection except Mary the daughter of `Imran, and Asiya the wife of Pharaoh.”

As for the Bible, Virgin Mary was mentioned mainly in Matthews 1: 15 - 25 and Luke 1: 26 – 57. This was in the context of narrating the story of the birth of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him).

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996016088&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam%2FAskAboutIslamE%2FAskAboutIslamE*
 
Hello friend:) ,if I did not misunderstand then I think you made a mistake and that is you called me Sam(please correct me If I am wrong).I and sam_777,we are not same person!Sam is from SA and I am from Bangladesh.Btw,Most of muslims think about western people,specially about western women like that because of their(muslim’s) malignity to other religion and culture.Actually most of muslim strongly believe that they are the only truth and except islam every religion is illicit,so they must do illicit things!
It is really horrible!
 
That is blasphemy “planten” :tsktsk:, since God doesn’t marry like all of you earthy humans, so is his Son.
It seems you aren’t reading Quran :banghead:, or you also don’t agree with Allah’s words in Quran :ehh:.
(Quran 21:91):
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a Sign for all peoples.”

(Quran 66:12):
And Maryam, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of his Revelations, and was one of the devout (Servants).
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** I’m too angry with you now :mad:.
**Sorry if I hurt you. It was not meant for you at all. Were you angry with any one else when he/she abused a man of God (Muhammad) with all types of abuses? Please tell.

With bad persons sitting amongst you abusing our prophet, you cannot take any support from the Quran. Can you?

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**Please don’t say that. I am ready to answer any honest question in a very decent way. But I cannot answer an abuse. You can understand that or not? You (or your friend under your patronage) is abusing a man of God. That I know is not the way of the Catholics. But what can I do? There are all types of persons here. And that person may be an atheist trying to create trouble.

That is your business to find out what is the person and what that one is doing and why? If that person has some base for the wild allegations then I also have some ground to say what i said. What I said was really bad for you. You have no reply to those questions. They are genuine problems of christianity. Forgive me for bringing them up due to necessity.**
 
Salaam/peace

if people outside the west really have a wrong idea about western society , western media is to blame a lot . Also churches . They allow gay marriage , gay priest / pastor etc.

I read in several news items ( not only from Islamic sources ) where it’s mentioned a western man normally spend time with 6 to 9 women in his married life.
Many women ( who are not pross) don’t know who is the father of her child etc etc.

If people in the west can accept all these things , it’s a wonder how they can’t understand limited legal polygamy which is also allowed regarding their holy book.
A very good post and very good question at the end. Thanks M W.
 
**You have recently posted many raw, baseless and aweful things against islam, while your own religion is all based on supposed things such as son of God, such as a begotten son, all unreal terms. Such as three gods in One God.
Then you have Jesus as a man but you do not want that he should have sex, go near any woman (Say Mary Magd). Why? Then your system thinks that sex between any husband and wife is a sin. Quite funny ideas. Please look into them all.

Then you have a wrong concept of the original sin. That was only the mistake of Adam, the first prophet of God.To err is human. Forgiveness is divine. Adam and Eve were forgiven by Allah. So there is no sin left. They repented and Jesus plus John the Baptist taught the lesson of repentence. But you invented a new formula of atonement by the blood of an innocent man (Jesus).

Then you have an awkward list of the prophets of your choice, made out by yourself. Are you a god too? All un-natural, untrue things bundled into your system with lot of prejudice and bias, you cannot move even inch in the way of truth and decency. So you blame me for all your ills.**
You talk of forgiveness while islam doesn’t tell its adherents that concept at all. So, instead of preaching it - practice it and tell your own to practice it.

**As for bashing - I only use your own koran and hadiths - and as usual you say it is bashing. ** If you don’t like what your koran and hadiths have to say then change religions.

If you want to take the guilt of all the muslims on your shoulders than I cannot help that but it was you who admitted that the jihadists who are enslaving, kidnapping, raping, beating, killing, etc are indeed muslims - as you are a muslim.

And it is very common for muslims to start with the victimhood mantra. So, feel free - it is expected.
 
I am sorry, I forgot to mention. That was my post in reply to R_Not. Not to you. So Please forget it. Let the poster make the reply. And my objections to christian faith stand, for R_not to reply.
Anyone can reply back if they want to reply back. I appreciate the reply from him. Anyone can reply back when it finds Christianity attacked by ones who cannot even prove that their assertions that the Bible is corrupted by any other source than a guy who was an illiterate pagan who found joy in slaughtering and enslaving people.
 
Read that verse again. If there is a word Kafir in it then be informed that kafir is an enemy of Islam. The people who argued and tried to kill Jesus were also kafirs. So if the word kafir is used in that verse then it is legal and valid to fight against them. They are not innocent people.

The word Kufar has long been used to mean all non-muslims by a large large number of Muhammadites. Many Muhammadite clerics claim that moselms are by definition innocent and infidels are by definition Kufar. I will grant you that opinions vary within your faith, but I would also suggest that the majority of your brethren view all non-believers as kufar.

** Perhaps you are now trying to mislead people by using the Hadith. Please come to the Quran first.**

So you agree that the Hadith a secondary to the Koran? Most Moslems view the Hadith as primary and base their laws and actions on it’s content. I will agree that most acts of violence are justified by the Hadith rather than the Koran. After all, Muhammed’s life was filled with acts of violence against Kufars.

Reply is same as above because you have tried to use some Hadith here.
 
They like to say that the hadiths are not a part of islam when they don’t serve their purpose. Hey, they even keep on posting abrogated surahs from the koran and tell me that when I don’t post those same surahs - that I am bashing islam!

Basically, when they complain about something that means we are on to something!
 
if people outside the west really have a wrong idea about western society , western media is to blame a lot . Also churches . They allow gay marriage , gay priest / pastor etc.
if people outside islam really have a wrong idea about muslim society , eastern media is to blame a lot . Also mosques . They teach beating of women , gay mullahs / pedophile imams in madrasahs etc.
I read in several news items ( not only from Islamic sources ) where it’s mentioned a western man normally spend time with 6 to 9 women in his married life.
Many women ( who are not pross) don’t know who is the father of her child etc etc.
I read in several news items ( not only from western sources ) where it’s mentioned a muslim man normally spend time with 6 to 9 women in his married life.
Many women ( who are not pross) don’t know who is the father of her child etc etc.

If people in the west can accept all these things , it’s a wonder how they can’t understand limited legal polygamy which is also allowed regarding their holy book.
Many women ( who are not pross) don’t know who is the father of her child etc etc.

If muslims can accept all these things , it’s a wonder how they can’t understand monogamy which is also allowed regarding their holy book.

The same applies to Muslims. :rolleyes:
 
1-In Pakistan, a raped woman will rarely bring the rapist to justice since all consensual extramarital sexual relations are considered violations of the Hudood Ordinances, if a woman cannot **prove **the absence of consent (i.e. rape or sexual abuse), there is the danger that she may be charged with a violation of the Hudood ordinances for fornication or adultery, for which the maximum punishment is public flogging or death by stoning.

2-Saudi Arabia: Saudi justice officials now say the woman sentenced to prison and flogging after being gang-raped is guilty of having an extramarital affair.
Following the rape, the woman was arrested and sentenced to 90 lashes. She appealed and the court increased the number of lashes to 200, added a six-month jail imprisonment and barred her lawyer from representing her.
They now say she confessed to adultery.

3-In February 2006 in a village in Bangladesh, a woman was awarded 101 canes for adultery. The primary evidence was that she became pregnant.The former husband of the woman, who supposedly was responsible for this woman’s pregnancy, received a penalty of 10,000 Taka, as he was absconding. In early 2005, a woman accused of adultery was stoned to death in Badakhshan, Afghanistan. In 2002 Zafran Bibi in Pakistan was convicted of Zina (adultery) and sentenced to death by stoning, even though she claimed to have been a victim of repeated rape. In 2001 Safiya Husaini, from the Northern Nigerian state Sokoto, claimed to be a victim of rape,was convicted for illicit sexual relationship and sentenced to death by stoning by a local Islamic court. In all these cases, these women claimed that they were raped, but they ended up convicted under the Shari’ah/Hudood law for adultery. Some of these cases are well known and received worldwide attention. Had these been isolated cases, it would have been different. However, the overall statistics is more than disturbing.

In case of Pakistan, “Of the 7,000 women in jail around the country awaiting trial, 88 percent are accused of crimes under Hudood, according to the Lawyers for Human Rights and Legal Aid. Ninety percent of these women have no lawyer, and 50 percent do not know they are entitled to contact one. Most women accused of Hudood violations are acquitted, but lose an average of five years to confinement, and lose their reputations as well.” Under the new Hudood law, the incentive for any woman to report any rape is gone. “Hudood has also unwittingly become a major factor in rape cases. Many rape victims refuse to file charges, because under Islamic law, four male Muslim witnesses are required to prove charges of rape. Women who cannot produce this many witnesses often end up in jail themselves for adultery, a crime against the state punishable by stoning to death.” Under such a system, rape victims have less reason to accuse anyone as a rapist.

4- A leading human rights group appealed to Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah on Thursday to stop the execution of a woman accused of witchcraft and performing supernatural acts.

The New York-based Human Rights Watch said in a statement that the kingdom’s religious police who arrested and interrogated Fawza Falih, and the judges who tried her in the northern town of Quraiyat never gave her the opportunity to prove her innocence in the face of “absurd charges that have no basis in law.”
 
Its ok my friend!No need to apologies:),It was simple mistake.Lord Jesus bless you:amen:
 
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