Assassin's Creed Odyssey: Inclusive Revisionism

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You see this is still where i disagree with you which is fair enough, previous assassins creed games tended not to be so wacky in it’s gameplay. Combat was certainly alot more realistic but in other ways too scripted. Going the route they have however with the RPG element is good but i dislike the road they are taking elsewhere in turning your character into a demigod. Also they are disregarding the historical elements by taking more and more liberties. Remember assassins creed was originally created to be a fictional game set somewhat accurately in historical eras and regions. Instead we now get to play in a version of ancient Greece that looks like a SJW paradise.

The historical elements were always limited of course for entertainnent reasons but never before have they gone so far with taking such liberties into transforming and ancient era into modern society. Origins felt very much like playing during Ptolemaic Egypt. Nowhere was i confronted with such over the top social issues that affect our modern society. I actually felt like i had escaped all that.
 
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As for a woman or girl playing a Game and thinking i’m an awesome fighter, absoloutely but i’d like there to be actual differences between the male and female protagonist. Not push forward the idea they are interchangeable which seems to be common in popular culture today and harmful.
 
It’s weird to me that you think the Assassin’s Creed series ever had anything resembling an authentic representation of history.

The first game involved delving into “genetic memory” to play in the pseudo-Levant, taking liberties left and right with the history. That’s why they added the “we developed this game with people of all nations, creeds, and colors” warning. So people wouldn’t lose their minds cos of all the liberties they were taking. There was potential to offend -everyone- with how that game was set up, and how the story played out.

But in the end it was just a silly game about stabbing people.

I don’t meant to discount your experience. But I don’t think there are many, if any at all, on this forum that could say they can pick out an authentic Ptolemaic Egyptian experience. That’s all I can say on it cos I didn’t play the game. But it seems odd that anyone could say “Yeah, this feels like it did back them!”

I think it comes down to art imitating life. It comments on our life. The issues going about right now is different than it was 10, 8, 5, and 2 years ago. That’s what good art should do - make people think about our world and our issues. Call it good or bad, that’s your right. I’m just glad that other points of view are being considered and allowed to be explored in our murdery stab-happy fantasy worlds that aren’t real anyway.

What you see as an invasion of progressive SJW drivel, other people see as “finally, I can play this game too in a way that speaks to me”
 
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The cities they recreated was done to great historical accuracy, the eras and the dramas that took place still took place the way it was recorded but with a fictional twist to involve the fictional story of the game. Also the statement at the beginning talking about how the game was developed by different faiths etc is no different than the current statement they make now about different sexual orientations and genders. The game in my opinion had a healthy balance of history and fiction. Both were limited for immersion and enjoyment but included to relate to the player
 
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The game provides an option for 3 play styles. Melee combat, archery, and stealth.

Are you saying you want Man to have access to all three play styles, but Woman only gets 2? That seems like unnecessary hamstringing.

Or are you saying you want Woman to have a melee play style that’s just different than Man’s? Because that’s now 4 play styles. You’re not hamstringing men who want to use that 4th play style as well as women who want to use that first play style.
 
Certainly one could not know if they were playing in an authentic Ptolemaic egypt experience but the era was presented to be immersive, the historical regions, the historical dramas mixed in with a fictional twist with the assassins creed story. Rarely if ever did i feel social issues of today being pushed into this world. I wonder why a year later they created a Game where everyone is bisexual and male and female are completely interchangeable.

They made the wrong decisions to go forward with and alot of people are getting turned off. You see secularists don’t like it when they were peppered with reiligious elements in different forms of entertainnent yet ironically they are doing exactly the same. You also seem to still think fantasy doesn’t need to make sense to be immersive but that is rarely true.

Most forms of media that have superheroes all explain how and why the superhero got their power. That is because even a fantasy world has laws of physics, even at times laws of magic. The person immersed in this world needs to understand how within the limits of this universe created by it’s author can such things exist. You will hear discussions from people all the time talk about the universe of Marvel or star wars universe, Lord of the rings etc.

I have never heard someone merely reply oh well it’s just fiction anyway so it doesn’t need to make sense as that would shatter immersion
 
I want male and female protagonists to have different playstyles each giving unique experiences based on their diverse strengths and weaknesses. At the moment the game basically tells you your essentially no different in nature and attributes.
 
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Paddy1989 said:
It would allow for a different and more believable experience than the testosterone filled super strong maniac we have currently.
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More believable to whom? The general theme of your posts in this thread seems to be that you are angry/threatened because others might see the world differently than you do. Why is this such a problem for you? If you don’t like this particular game/fantasy, then find a different one.
 
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I want male and female protagonists to have different playstyles each giving unique experiences based on their diverse strengths and weaknesses. At the moment the game basically tells you your essentially no different in nature and attributes.
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It seems more accurate to say that you want the protagonists to fit your own views of what males and females should be. You are spending a lot of time lamenting what you see as bias, all the while seemingly not recognizing how much your own bias limits your thinking.
 
It’s entertainment & if you want to know everything? Go to library 😏
 
I don’t think being confused at what appears to be gender interchangeability is based on my own bias
 
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I thought through the night about how best to answer and I think that Matt Colville does a great job of it in this video. I started it at the relevant time stamp. Watch until 4:08. He is talking about making characters in Dungeons and Dragons so that part doesn’t really apply. But in the area I’ve suggested he talks about people playing things in a game, and the use of fantasy. Ponder his words when he says “Your fantasy is in there - is theirs?”

WARNING: There is one use of profanity that comes and goes really quickly.


Stop at 4:08. Or watch the whole thing if you’re interested in building Dungeons and Dragons worlds. Matt is an excellent presenter and writer.

This whole concern in the opening video really strikes me as incels upset that women are in “muh vidya game”. And the concern about historical anachronism is dismissible, as the game never suggests that it is trying to teach anyone anything about history.
 
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Paddy1989 said:
Wouldn’t it have been nice to play as a woman rather than a reskinned male?
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First of all, I don’t see how playing to female stereotypes would improve the game. Sure, you could go all Judith on them, but I don’t see that as necessary.

Second, it’s actually incredibly hard to develop a game where everything change based on some class/clan/gender selection at the start. Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines did that. They had to design levels to account for the mandatory stealth of the Nosferatu and considerably changed the dialogue system for the Malkavians compared to the other clans. It’s somewhat impressive until you realize that much of the game is an unbalanced mess. I’m still not entirely sure it is even possible to beat the game with certain clans unless you use cheats.
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fall from great heights in terribly unrealistic ways
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Remember that Game Theory video where they tried to analyze the leap of faith from the series? He basically determined that it would leave the world as unlivable.
Paddy1989 said:
Remember assassins creed was originally created to be a fictional game set somewhat accurately in historical eras and regions.
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Sure, the first couple games were attempting to offer cultural commentary. If I remember correctly, either the writer or director said that the first was meant as a commentary on Islam and the second a commentary on the Renaissance. After that, though, the series has progressively been less about commenting on historical periods and more about commenting on modern society. By the time of Black Flag, they weren’t even trying to comment on the golden age of pirates.
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You also seem to still think fantasy doesn’t need to make sense to be immersive but that is rarely true.
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I think it’s because you’re making a big deal about the wrong aspects of fantasy. It’s a place where dreams and nightmares come alive. It’s a place where you can create whatever world you want so long as you do a good job presenting that world. Do the characters feel like they live inside this world? Can I picture myself living inside this world? It doesn’t have to accurately reflect our world.

Yes, having human experiences helps a lot in selling the world, but if it’s been established that magic exists, I don’t want everyone going on in life like magic doesn’t, even if not using it is more accurately reflective of our world. I want to see how the existence of magic as established by the author affects how people interact with the world.
 
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Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines did that. They had to design levels to account for the mandatory stealth of the Nosferatu and considerably changed the dialogue system for the Malkavians compared to the other clans. It’s somewhat impressive until you realize that much of the game is an unbalanced mess. I’m still not entirely sure it is even possible to beat the game with certain clans unless you use cheats.
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Ugh. I tried a playthrough as a social Ventrue. It was impossible.
 
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Ugh. I tried a playthrough as a social Ventrue. It was impossible.
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I played a relatively squishy Tremere where magic tended to be used for crowd control and stealth. Neither is possible during the last two boss fights, and even the last level was very combat focused. I had to turn god mode on to beat the last two bosses. What’s worse is that I only bothered because I really liked the story, and then the final decision only gave options that were so out of character for the character I had built that even the ending was a major disappointment! That game is now basically my Mass Effect 3. 😠
 
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No one should be forced to endure any “entertainment” that contains objectionable content. And I encourage other people to warn everyone about it. Don’t buy it or play it. Leave it alone. I have dumped media with objectionable content but I do watch some so I can warn others.

Uplifting, Godly entertainment is good. Using “entertainment” for issue advocacy - not good.
 
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Uplifting, Godly entertainment is good. Using “entertainment” for issue advocacy - not good.
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Really? Uncle Tom’s Cabin? The Jungle? To Kill a Mockingbird? Animal Farm? 1984? These are not good? They’re all about issue advocacy. I put it to you these works of entertainment are good specifically because of issue advocacy.

But that’s beside the point because I promise you, this game wasn’t intended to be social commentary. It’s just a silly game where people stab other people. That’s all the Assassin’s Creed series has ever been. A murder simulator to get people off on their kill fantasies.
 
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I don’t buy that. I’ve seen the “best of” releases and, looking at it from the Christian perspective, there is too much objectionable content out there. It should be known so that others who think they’re just going to spend some time just having fun will be disappointed. Those scenes and characters aren’t there by accident. Most “entertainment” media are straight from the sewer. So I encourage people - don’t ignore it - refuse to accept it.
 
I have just over fifty hours in this game and I am loving it.

The homosexual elements of the game are annoying, but most of those things are option. There’s only one character like that you have to deal with, and man is he awful… The only other one is … ermm… spoilers…
Spoliers
The fact that the main character’s mother switched form being married to a man to openly engaged in a lesbian relationship… yeah, that was really off-putting, and didn’t make any sense.
Other than that, it’s just a fun, well designed world to explore. I’ve always been interested in Ancient Greece, and this game realizes the world pretty well. Yes, there’s a bunch of SJW nonsense and a complete disregard for any kind of sexual ethic, but sadly it’s getting to the point where you can’t avoid that sort of stuff if you play video games. At least it’s not as bad as the Witcher series…

Overall, i’m really happy with my purchase. I can ignore the aspects I don’t like and still have a blast exploring the game world. Mix that with the established “first civilization” mythos, and it’s a fun jaunt. Certainly it lacks even the most tenuous connection to actual history, but I don’t play game fir history, I play them for their own stories. Thankfully, the whole corrupted Templar / Church stuff from 1 and 2 have been almost completely dropped. It’s certainly gone a long way towards making this game my favorite in the series.
 
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