Atheists who hate god

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I don’t think you actually understand what thought crime was in the context of Orwell’s novel.

In Orwell’s novel, thought crime was illegal because it hampered the state’s control, and lead to insurrection and rebellion. It was born of the state’s fear of rebellion, that if people began to think for themselves they would rise up and overthrow the state.

In the Bible, and in this passage in particular, it is not thoughts that are being punished, it is an act of the will. To look at someone lustfully doesn’t simply mean to be attracted to them, it means to actively will yourself to desire them sexually, in an inappropriate manner. It is a sin against chastity, and a sin against the dignity of that person because it reduces them to an object for sexual gratification.

You are talking about think which you apparently only have a basic understanding of. There is much more depth and nuance to these passage than you are giving them credit.

I won’t be able to respond to you again today, but feel free to respond if you wish.
 
LoganBryce said:
Christians evangelize out of love, we want what is best for our neighbor. Even if God was not real, an atheist evangelizing a Christian would do nothing but take their peace of mind away.
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Do you argue atheists don’t evangelise out of love? Out of what they think is best for others to believe?
 
Atheists don’t believe in God, therefore, they have no hate for God.

Agnostics are on the fence ‘ I don’t want him to be real’

It’s all part of the Journey home

Hawking is dead. God rest his soul. Hawking met several Popes and worked with the Vatican science academy.
 
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I do, they do it to make themselves feel better. If I’m going down best to have someone to go with me. It always feels better when you’re friend gets called into the principals office with you.
 
Doesn’t change the fact that he said those very Popes he met were just people who were afraid of the dark.
 
You are going to have to explain Popes being afraid of the dark. I don’t understand
 
ProdglArchitect said:
What does the Bible tell us the world was like at the point of the flood? Unremittingly evil. The world had completely turned it’s back on God. In Christian theology, God is the source of all that is good, so in this context we can come to understand that the world had turned it’s back on all that was good. So, yeah, God wiped out everyone but Noah, who had remained faithful to Him (and, by extension of the previous context, had continued to do good int he world.)
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So that allows him to drown everything in a temper? There are easier and simpler ways to eliminate sin than that but it seems odd that a loving God would create sin in the first instance, then create people that he knew would sin and would therefore end up in hell.
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As for Hell, that is a whole other topic that we could spend our entire lives discussing. Suffice it to say, God does everything He can, short of tampering with free will, to keep people from falling into Hell. He continuously calls out to the soul to lead it away from Hell, right up until that soul is dead. If they did not repent, then they choose to enter into eternal damnation, and suffer the full punishment due for their sins. The only way God could get rid of Hell is to get rid of free will, which would violate His creative act and defeat the entire purpose for our existence.
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But you believe that God created Hell as a punishment, he didn’t have to, no one forced him to so why did he? I see three possible options,
  1. He created it and enjoys sending the people (like me) that he knows will end up there
  2. He created it and is now powerless to destroy it
  3. He doesn’t exist and it’s a complete myth.
 
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I do, they do it to make themselves feel better. If I’m going down best to have someone to go with me. It always feels better when you’re friend gets called into the principals office with you.
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I don’t agree. Atheists care about things other than themselves, for a start. And why would they believe “they’re going down”, when they don’t believe in god?

No, I think atheists evangelise (if that’s the right word) out of love, just as much as Christians/Muslims/Hindus etc do.
 
TL;DR No

Full answer; No, if that’s where it ends. Even if it ends in actual adultery then it’s still not a crime, it’s not pleasant but not a crime.
 
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Inquisitor85 said:
So that allows him to drown everything in a temper?
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God doesn’t have a temper. You need to move beyond that sort of thinking. The bible uses anthropomorphic language to describe God because that’s the only way we can really understand Him, but it’s not accurate.

To answer your question, yes, God has the right to flood the Earth and wipe out everyone. Period. End of question. As the author and source of all life, He owes us nothing.
But you believe that God created Hell as a punishment, he didn’t have to, no one forced him to so why did he? I see three possible options,
  1. He created it and enjoys sending the people (like me) that he knows will end up there
  2. He created it and is now powerless to destroy it
  3. He doesn’t exist and it’s a complete myth.
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Your assertion that “No one forced him to” is faulty. True, it’s not like we held a gun to His head and demanded He create Hell, but our actions and choices do necessitate the existence of a place for those who chose against God in this life.

If He were to force an otherwise-damned soul to be in His presence eternally, that would violate that soul’s will, which was set against God. Since God will not violate our free will, He allows those souls who do not want to spend eternity with Him to be separated from Him. However, this separation also separates us from His goodness and His mercy, and so we cannot experience Good, and we must experience His justice.

The fourth option is - He created it because people chose to reject His mercy, and so had to embrace the justice due for their sins.

God does not delight in Hell, it exists as a necessary outcropping of free will.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
To answer your question, yes, God has the right to flood the Earth and wipe out everyone. Period. End of question. As the author and source of all life, He owes us nothing.
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Like if I made a beautiful pot and you broke it that would be wrong.

But if I broke it, I have that right because it’s mine and I made it?🙂?
 
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That’s the same basic definition of thoughtcrime I work from, although I admit I am taking it a little further than you are.

How on earth do you will yourself to “actively will yourself to desire them sexually”, you either find some sexually desirable or you don’t. It’s not in my experience an act of will.
 
In essence, as a very very simplified examination of the concept, sure.
 
They had a chance to go on the ark but they didn’t listen to Noah’s warnings.
 
Inquisitor85 said:
That’s the same basic definition of thoughtcrime I work from, although I admit I am taking it a little further than you are.

How on earth do you will yourself to “actively will yourself to desire them sexually”, you either find some sexually desirable or you don’t. It’s not in my experience an act of will.
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It’s the difference between recognizing that you find someone attractive, and moving into the realm of thinking about what, sexually, you would like to do with her.

Moving from simplify being attracted into the realms of active desire is the difference.
 
Atheists don’t evangelize. The closest thing I found online are Atheist communities on YouTube and I don’t think they represent most Atheists in real life.
 
I think we are all motivated by what we believe. People of all religions do this, don’t they? They are right and nobody is going to tell them otherwise. I don’t see it as being hateful, I just think of it as someone being certain of what they believe and not appreciating others telling them they are wrong.
 
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ProdglArchitect said:
Your assertion that “No one forced him to” is faulty. True, it’s not like we held a gun to His head and demanded He create Hell, but our actions and choices do necessitate the existence of a place for those who chose against God in this life.

If He were to force an otherwise-damned soul to be in His presence eternally, that would violate that soul’s will, which was set against God. Since God will not violate our free will, He allows those souls who do not want to spend eternity with Him to be separated from Him. However, this separation also separates us from His goodness and His mercy, and so we cannot experience Good, and we must experience His justice.
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I’m going to assume that you believe that your God creates each soul, your God according to the Bible has both omnipotence and omniscience. Therefore he creates souls that he knows in advance will go to Hell, how is that not cruel to implement infinite punishment for finite crimes?
 
Roseeurekacross said:
Agnostics are on the fence ‘ I don’t want him to be real’
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This isn’t right. The agnostics I know say “I don’t know that God is real. It would be great if he was, and I hope he is, but we have no way of knowing.”
 
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