Atheists who hate god

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There is no reason for an atheist to have morals. It’s just illogical.
 
Inquisitor85 said:
Yeah, but your ignoring the fact that he knows IN ADVANCE which souls are going to heaven, which are going to purgatory and which are going to hell. So my question is why create souls that you know are going to hell? What’s the point of that? The only reason would be that God likes sending people to hell otherwise he wouldn’t do it.
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Mike from NJ:
It’s important to note that in evangelizing non-Christians, believers will often use morality as an attempted trump card, whether to claim God as the basis of morality and love or to denounce how non-Christians get their morality.
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LoganBryce said:
There is no reason for an atheist to have morals. It’s just illogical.
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I think my point has been made.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There are times when non-believers will have an easier time making a moral decision than believers. I’ve had people on CAF defend slavery, rape, killing, theft of children because of their faith. That is NOT to say that non-believers can’t also make the wrong decision, but when you don’t have a foundation on a God that at times in the Bible demonstrates questionable morals it’s one less hurdle for a non-believer.
 
Inquisitor85 said:
I mean no one wants to die, and most would cling to life as long as they could. Although I do think better pastoral support for atheists is something that hospitals should, and at least in the UK are, implement. Maybe that would help.
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Actually some people do want to die and do commit suicide. That is true with or without a disease. Hospitals do provide spiritual care evento atheists if they are open to it. And I don’t mean Bible thumping evangelization. Rather, companion on the journey, life review. Meaning and purpose from atheist perspective. Let the atheist take the lead and share perspective.
 
Inquisitor85 said:
Yeah, but your ignoring the fact that he knows IN ADVANCE which souls are going to heaven, which are going to purgatory and which are going to hell. So my question is why create souls that you know are going to hell? What’s the point of that? The only reason would be that God likes sending people to hell otherwise he wouldn’t do it.
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here’s the key point:
In God there is no such thing as “in advance”. God is eternal, or outside time. Creation is in time. Human beings are in time. For us there is before and after. Not for God.
 
I agree. But as I human I would never justify someone being angry at god because it is unjustifiable. Do you think anger toward god can be justified?
 
LoganBryce said:
What makes people like Hawking have this attitude? Why would they not want to have some shred of hope?
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Atheism comes from a deep-seated aversion to being humbly submissive. The true atheist hates the idea of indisputable, authentic authority to whom he owes obedience. The atheist’s true project is to rid himself, and if possible all of mankind, of this notion. The true nature of atheism is therefore not an intellectual dissent, but rebellion.

Of course a precondition for rebellion is awareness of that which one rebels against. It follows therefore, that on a soul level atheism does not really exist. The atheist does subconsciously know God, but he refuses to let this intuitive knowing of God surface into his conscious mind. Instead he erects a bulwark of sophisticated thought to convince himself and others that he does not know God, and indeed that there is no God that he could possibly know.

Twisted? Methinks yes. Atheism is far more noxious than the atheist makes it out to be. It is in its essence not a philosophical or intellectual position, but a destructive effort to eradicate holiness from oneself and the world.
 
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What if say I go to church, pray everyday, contemplate god all day, read scripture every day, live a good life, try my best to believe in God but I the end of the day don’t think that I do?
 
LoganBryce said:
What if say I go to church, pray everyday, contemplate god all day, read scripture every day, live a good life, try my best to believe in God but I the end of the day don’t think that I do?
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Then you’d be one of those cases where there is an intense struggle happening between different forces inside yourself. As you just put it, you don’t think you believe in God, but at the same time there is something in you that urges you to engage in various religious activities nonetheless. So apparently the non-believing (or at least skeptical) thinking mind has not won out yet. Somehow it hasn’t been able to beat those other, probably subconscious forces in your soul that keep you coming to church, praying, etc.

In any case, as long as this struggle is going on you’re not really an atheist. You’d be a doubter. A doubter isn’t a rebel at heart. He’s more someone who has fallen prey to the deceptive temptation of “critical thinking”.

Anyway, was this a hypothetical?
 
Honestly no. I struggle with this is everyday. I was raised religious. All I care about is god. I love the bible and jesus. I read catholic authors. I teach my kids about god. I pray a lot. I try to live by the bible. But at the end of the day I want to believe but my mind tells me I don’t. But even if my doubts never go away I’ll try to believe until the day I die. So would I go to hell for this?
 
LoganBryce said:
Doesn’t change the fact that he said those very Popes he met were just people who were afraid of the dark.
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You are going to have to explain this statement. who said the Popes he met were people afraid of the dark and why did he say it and where is the direct quote.
 
“I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.”
 
Not abhorrent. Its genuinely illogical to have morals if god doesn’t exists. If god does not exist all that matters is things in this life. For example, money, power. Things you obtain without morals. Anyone with any morals, I believe, at least subconsciously believes in god.
 
LoganBryce said:
Not abhorrent. Its genuinely illogical to have morals if god doesn’t exists. If god does not exist all that matters is things in this life. For example, money, power. Things you obtain without morals. Anyone with any morals, I believe, at least subconsciously believes in god.
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Do you know any atheists personally. I do. They are extremely moral people.

They do not break the law and uphold the 10 commandments because that is what society is built on legally. They sin, but so do Catholics and believers. So what. We are all sinners. Even Holy Father Pope Francis is a sinner. He says so himself.

Your statement is an abhorrent statement that tarnishes atheists with a brush lacking in charity or understanding. Catholics and Christians and other religious denominations chase money and power too. I can think of several very wealthy atheists who are amazing philanthropists. We can work for money morally, thats called business or having a job. We can get power morally. Are you saying atheist leaders are morally bankrupt because he or she has power? And does not believe in God?
 
I’m saying if an atheist has morals they are not 100% atheist.
 
I also believe excess money or power would be immoral in most cases also. Pope Francis, who you just referred too, would agree.
 
LoganBryce isn’t saying that atheists are immoral in practice. He is saying that the morality that they do have, is not logically consistent with atheism, and therefore that their morality proves that they are not atheists through and through. This reasoning is entirely correct, and does not constitute an attack on atheists or an uncharitable assessment of them. On the contrary: LoganBryce’s observation equates to saying that ethical atheists (and indeed most atheists are ethical) are endowed with some subsconscious belief in God even if they themselves do not know this or wish to admit this. As Christians we can’t get more charitable than that toward atheists.
 
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