Atheists who hate god

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Atheists don’t evangelize. The closest thing I found online are Atheist communities on YouTube and I don’t think they represent most Atheists in real life.
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Yeah, the word evangelise doesn’t really fit, I just couldn’t think of one that did.
 
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Your assertion that “No one forced him to” is faulty. True, it’s not like we held a gun to His head and demanded He create Hell, but our actions and choices do necessitate the existence of a place for those who chose against God in this life.

If He were to force an otherwise-damned soul to be in His presence eternally, that would violate that soul’s will, which was set against God. Since God will not violate our free will, He allows those souls who do not want to spend eternity with Him to be separated from Him. However, this separation also separates us from His goodness and His mercy, and so we cannot experience Good, and we must experience His justice.
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I’m going to assume that you believe that your God creates each soul, your God according to the Bible has both omnipotence and omniscience. Therefore he creates souls that he knows in advance will go to Hell, how is that not cruel to implement infinite punishment for finite crimes?
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Those souls, when created, have the potential to go to either Heaven or Hell. God is not stuck at a specific point in time looking forward and backwards; all points in time are omnipresent to Him as an eternal NOW. The only reason they go to Hell is because the choices they make lead them there. The created soul only goes to Hell because that is what they have chosen to do over the course of their life. To not create them because of the choices they make would 1 - create a paradox, because by uncreating them they would no longer exist to perform the actions which caused God to chose to uncreate them, thereby remove the need to uncreate them, thereby allowing them to be created… , and 2 - would violate their free will, by rendering their choices non-existent if they chose against Him.

As for “finite” crime. While the duration of any given sin is certainly finite, the degree of offense is in proportion to the offended party. It is worse to hit your brother than a random stranger, and worse still to hit your spouse than your brother. God is infinite goodness, therefore any sin, no matter how “small”, is of infinite offense, and deserving of infinite punishment. It is only God’s mercy, when accepted, that saves us from damnation.

This really is my last response for the day, sorry to post and run.
 
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This isn’t right. The agnostics I know say “I don’t know that God is real. It would be great if he was, and I hope he is, but we have no way of knowing.”
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I think it depends from agnostic to agnostic. My own position is just neutral - I don’t know and I don’t believe. I don’t necessarily want a god not to exist but I don’t particularly hope one does either.
 
Yeah, but your ignoring the fact that he knows IN ADVANCE which souls are going to heaven, which are going to purgatory and which are going to hell. So my question is why create souls that you know are going to hell? What’s the point of that? The only reason would be that God likes sending people to hell otherwise he wouldn’t do it.
 
I do know - nurses - DO NOT like - care taking - for a dying atheist.
 
No, I’m not, because He doesn’t. In order for it to be advanced knowledge, it means it would be in the future, and not yet happened. God doesn’t know “in advance,” He knows “simultaneously”.

If the soul was never created, it wouldn’t exist for God to know it goes to Hell.

Your applying time to a timeless existence. I understand why you do this, but it is wrong and it is giving you faulty notions.

Ok… last post… walking out the door…
 
LoganBryce said:
I know there are different kind of atheists in this world. I’m referring to whatever kind Stephen Hawking was. I’ve met a lot of atheists and most were like “it would be great if god was real, but he’s probably not.” And then there’s the kind like " god is not real, I don’t want him to be real, and I will spend every bit of energy to prove he’s not." What makes people like Hawking have this attitude? Why would they not want to have some shred of hope? I’ve doubted Gods existence probably more than most people but I still try my best to believe.
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Tell me what you believe and why and I will tell you if I agree.
 
OK, to keep it in your worldview and not get too timey wimey, he knows which souls will get to heaven and which won’t because he creates them. If he doesn’t he’s not omnipotent or omniscient and therefore not a god, and not worthy of worship.
 
Yes. Some scream bloody blue murder - and are desperately bitter -
Apparently they don’t want to die - but live as long as is humanly possible.
I have heard wealthy Atheist - get frozen in cryogenic chambers - to be resurrected by future science.
Not sure who pays the rent - decade after decade -
 
Well, is that not understandable? I mean no one wants to die, and most would cling to life as long as they could. Although I do think better pastoral support for atheists is something that hospitals should, and at least in the UK are, implement. Maybe that would help. @Seagull
 
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What a wonderful idea !

But atheist may have a deep down terrible hatred for religious people.

I do know of a dad, who’s an atheist - with 3 kids -
and he lamented the fact that he never gave his kids the opportunity to believe - in something.
I mean it really bothered him.
He mentioned how his kids were now grown, cold - and like their dad.
 
Exactly, they talk about the possibility of the existence of God,

And I was quoting that from in the OP’s post
 
LoganBryce said:
I know there are different kind of atheists in this world. I’m referring to whatever kind Stephen Hawking was. I’ve met a lot of atheists and most were like “it would be great if god was real, but he’s probably not.” And then there’s the kind like " god is not real, I don’t want him to be real, and I will spend every bit of energy to prove he’s not." What makes people like Hawking have this attitude? Why would they not want to have some shred of hope? I’ve doubted Gods existence probably more than most people but I still try my best to believe.
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In Hawking’s defense as a human being…a lifetime in a wheelchair could make one angry at God.
 
The thing is we all can hate fictional characters. Whether it’s Moriarity, Emperor Palpatine, Jaws, or whoever, a reasonable person can proclaim “I hate X” without also thinking that X is real. So, for those who claim that any non-Christian not liking the character of Jehovah also means that same non-Christian also believes Jehovah is real, well we can stop that right now.

Now the hate one feels for a fictional character isn’t going to be the same as one feels for a real live hatable person. Still it’s a completely acceptable word anybody (Christian or not) to use for fictional characters (e.g. “I hate Negan on The Walking Dead.”)

It’s important to note that in evangelizing non-Christians, believers will often use morality as an attempted trump card, whether to claim God as the basis of morality and love or to denounce how non-Christians get their morality. One reason I use the word hate in describing Jehovah is because his character in the Bible does things that some people (including myself) would be hated for if he existed. Not only that, because believers have to have a foundation of God being perfectly good, a great many of those immoral acts get defended – usually via special pleading, stating God’s ways are a mystery, or by taking a hatchet to the words in Scripture.

In sum, let’s spend more time trying to make sense of what Scripture says and less time trying to undercut the ideas of non-believers as secretly believing in him but acting differently for selfish reasons. It’s just doesn’t make any sense.
 
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