The problem that I see is when both friends, the Catholic and the protestant, call it an hamburger and you are are the only one calling it filet mignon and that it is wrong to eat it because it is not filet mignon.
Problem is my Protestant friend CALLS his ‘hamburger’ the exact same thing that I call my ‘filet mignon’ - ordination. In his case referring to the Protestant ceremony, in mine to te Catholic sacrament. Hence the possibility of confusion and scandal, just like the possibility of confusion and scandal when denominations all call their Lord’s Supper ‘communion’ when they may hold varying views about its meaning - and why we are not to add to it by intecommuning!
I understand what you are saying but I think that you are might contradict yourself. To me making a reference to hamburger and filet mignon when talking about a protestant becoming minister is as silly as to you it is my comment about saying grace and the bread. The fundamental obligation that we have as Catholics is to understand others. St. Thomas paved the road when in his logic arguments he was showing a deep understanding of an opposing idea and debating that instead of simply saying the Church says so.
The Lutheran (LCMS) reference to the Pope was in the negative…I don’t remember the exact wording, but it was curious.
I think that like everybody else she is trying to balance things and her level of comfort is different from the one that you or I could have. However, she seems to agree with most of us that the bottom line is proper understanding in order to make a moral decision. The problem in threads like this is that we give opinions based on our levels of comfort which in turn is based on our understanding but the answers could differ because of two points. The first being that we all understand the same thing and that we have different levels of comfort and the second being that we do not understand the same thing. If this were a different environment then probably we would only share the deep details of our understanding; however, it is an internet forum with short posts and that is when the problems come up. For example I would participate to the installation of a baptist minister, male or female, but not to the installation of an episcopalian minister.
That is a non sequitur. If the only reason you go to a meeting where you refuse the “Last Supper” is because you want to “SHOW” that you don’t view them as equivalent why go there at all?
Love this point. So true.
Both Triumphguy and I disagree with if one should go. I think absence speaks the best here, he thinks it is better to go.It is interesting to me the idea that a Bishop should not go and a priest probably should not go. If we are all priest prophet and king I wonder why we should hold out Bishops to higher social standards than us. Assuming a Bishop should not go because he represents the Church, should we not all represent the Church, should we not all be charged with socially speaking for the Church in a good way? Remember, Pelosi is regarded by many in the mainstream media as a Catholic, perhaps we should all aspire to be known as such in a good way, not in the Pelosi way. People such as Pelosi would be looked at as tollerant and nice for attending any sort of “ordination” “homosexual marriage” and the lot. Obama invoked Christianity as a reason FOR gay marriage. Isn’t it time for the Triumphguys and Moore11s to also be known for our faith?
I don’t agree that you don’t speak FOR the Church. by your baptism you do. You are to proclaim the Gospel. You are morally charged with this task. Every Cathoic is.
Good heavens, of course I’m not the sort of person whose only reason for attending would be to make a point of refusing. You are well and truly reading too much into
There is no parallel. I do not see them as sinners for starters.
The two are not alike:
Ah, but why is it against Church teaching my friend?
you are right it is not. And as for why. Well there could be many reasons for it. It probably used to be but that isn’t important now. Are you saying that the only reason you would not Receive protestant communion is that the Church has told you not to? You dont know why? I think you do. And I think there are parallels here. BUT again, it is personal preference and opinion which we are free as Catholics to talk about. I cannot tell you your position is immoral but am only curious as to why.
)Would you have come to my ordination? It was a small service next to my computer. Most touching. I probably should demand some sort of title how about Just calling me Rev. From now on.I would not receive communion at a Protestant Church because we are not in communion.
But I might attend a communion service (e.g., as part of the ordination ceremony for the ordination of my hypothetical protestant friend
I will probably attend a few Anglican services since my in-laws are Anglican as we celebrate certain family events. If my brother in law ever becomes an Anglican priest I’ll go to his ordination too. (He won’t - he’s a heathen!).