B.N.P.? They claim to be Catholic ... anyone know?

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I was wondering why the BNP or Banal na Pag-aaral don’t have an official web site like any other business establishments showing the name of CEO’s and company background. I am new to BNP and there was a personal problem in between me and one BNP council member acting as mediator to handle our case at BNP Oxnard area (not an official BNP chapter yet). I dared to discuss the matter with him in writing but he never dared to respond. He prefered confronting me and tried to harass me over the phone calling me even at work during office hours.

I asked the help of other council members but they didn’t bother to answer my e-mails as well. They are probably avoiding hard copies of their statements. This is the only reason I know. If I have the chance to reach Ate Salve, I will be glad to discuss with her the whole story involving this BNP council member that I am talking about. This said council member is a disciple of Mahal na Ingkong according to our BNP Fatima group leader in Oxnard. This is another misleading statement from a prayer group leader. If Mahal na Ingkong is Jesus Christ then there is no way this guy is one of Mahal na Ingkong’s disciple. He threatens me that I might don’t know whom I am dealing with. This was his statement in Tagalog, “Baka di mo alam ang binabangga mo”. I don’t really have any problem with BNP as a way to get closer to God. My only problem are the impolite people around BNP. Ate Salve or Mahal na Ingkong should not tolerate people like this one.
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Greating and Peace to you all from our Christ Jesus:

K C asked if we can disobey the Bishop? I will simply response by asking CAN YOU DO GOOD ON A SABATH?

I hope the scripture will shed light this issue.

Yours in Christ Jesus: Rommelh
 
AteSalve said:
How is it not a cult? Personally, I went to a BNP retreat (January 29-31, Class 56, Richmond, CA, under the grace of “God”/Ate Salve), and everything they were saying was sounded decent. They had these meetings called “Rollios” which they preached God’s beliefs and whatnot, and that was all fine and good. Emotions were running high; there were more than thirty guys at the retreat, and all of us were getting really into it. We cried and laughed together. They saved the really weird stuff for the end. They started talking about how some lady was possessed by Jesus. Jesus doesn’t possess people. Demons, ghosts, and some aliens do. I’ve heard the same “Jesus is in me” spiel from several Filipino “Catholic” organizations, and the only thing differing from group to group is that it’s a different old Filipino lady. I have a friend who calls himself Catholic, but when you believe that some old Filipino lady can turn into Jesus, that doesn’t really click together very well.

Don’t get me wrong; the folks in the BNP are really nice people and have big hearts. Unfortunately, that doesn’t change the fact that the BNP is a brainwashing cult, and nothing more. I speak this from firsthand experience. I was seventeen years old at the time of the retreat, and am now twenty. I have no plans on going back.

If the Archdiocese of San Bernadino was misinformed about the way the BNP operates, then how come the decision to ban true Catholics from attendance hasn’t been repealed? It’s a cult, in the most rudimentary sense of the word.
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Dear Brother in Christ Jesus: I probably served in your Class at Richmond. Just like you I have not been with the BNP for ages but I do not condemn nor Judge the BNP. I reserve such notion to our GOD alone. My experiences with the BNP for 13 years were all good. Why Leave? I did not for in spirit I am still a BNP! BNP is not an entity but a way of Life.
To bring you some light to the issue, Just like the movie ANgels and Demons it reveals some Church dark days but does it means the Church is Bad? Of Course not for the real intention of Our Mother Church is to bring us back to CHRIST. As a scripture reader, protestant are barking on why the Catholics have Idols and it is condemned by JEHOVAH GOD… PSALM 115 will describe our idols.
BUt if you will go back in the history of the Church, People back then does not have the education and brain capacity that we now have. How can they explain the GOD who they can’t see to people who does not have the capacity or the education. They have to create a medium in whom we now call Statue or Picture. The intention of the Mother Church was all good but people with their history of stuborness replaces thier worship to One True GOd with thier Idols! Just like the time of Moses, after seeing what GOD has done first hand they still created a golden Idol! Now the issue is, are catholic a CULT? of course!!! You should look at the definition of a cult and you will find yourself as a CULTIST! The bottom line is … does this cult I belong to bring me back closer to GOd? Does this Cult I belong to tell me to Love my Enemies? Finally does this Cult I belong to changed me from within? If your answer is Yes then in the ACTS of the apostle one of the deciple cited to JESUS that there were people claiming to be one of them but not and what should we do about it? (paraphrasing) JESUS asked what do they say? they replied- they are using your name to cast out demons and evil spirits! JESUS then replied Let them be!!!
The Moral lesson on this story is that if anyone USES the name of JESUS for good CHRIST does not have an issue on it!!!
So brother, since you were a graduate from BNP and left, Is your spiritual life better than before? if it is then GODSPEED… if not then you need to re examine yourself.
One advice though, reserve JUDGEMENT to our GOD for we are not called to Judge but to Obey.

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Brother Rommelh
 
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rommelh:
Dear Brother in Christ Jesus,
First I would like to apologize for the Council’s action towards your issue. I am sure it was a misunderstanding and it is always two side in the coin! BUt being a leader He should have known better.
To answer you concern about the website, BNP does not have because BNP is not business entity and does not advertise. Just like JESUS back then does not have adorn garments nor blow horn to tell people I AM Here! If you really want to see Him you have to go to him and He is not too hard to find. BNP is not hard to find they are everywhere and the main place is in ONTARIO California. I am sure you have been there if you are a member. I suggest you should go there and there are councils who can accommodate you.
In my years in the BNP I have meet some good people and other not so good but this is the training ground for me for I need to learn to love the people who are unloveable. See in the BNP it is between YOU and GOD - no pointing fingers nor scape goating. You must be responsible for your own actions. To be safe and in line, you must read the WORD of GOD and that’s where it will all begins. PSALM 1 says " Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the wicked, Nor standeth in the way of sinners, Nor sitteth in the seat of scoffers: BUT his DELIGHT is in the WORD of GOD" and in HIS LAW doth he meditates day and night. Now in your issue, GOD put this UNLOVEABLE people to bring the BEST in YOU… Remember PEOPLE meant BAD for you but GOD meant it for GOOD. So the Moral lesson in your issue was that what was GOD teaching you in this circumstances? Did you pass His Test?

JOSEPH was sold by his brothers and was jailed, beaten and accussed but in the end HE was one of the most Blessed and Powerful man in EGYPT! GENESIS 50
How did Joseph do it? It’s all about ATTITUDE and his PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
So my dear brother to be the real follower of CHRIST LOVE the UNLOVEABLE!!! Sorry we don’t have a choice!

Blessings and Peace to you and your Family:
Brother Rommelh
 
frowacp said:
A list of cults recorded at “Cult Awareness Network, Inc.” includes BNP or Banal Na Pag-aaral as one of them…

lefawe;)
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Unfortunately the Cult Awareness Network, which came to be after the Jim Jones situation and used to be a good resource can no longer be relied upon. They were litigated into bankrupcy by the Church of Scientology who bought up their name and files from the bankrupcy court. Anyone contacting them for assistance will be speaking to a Scientologist.

lefawe: Your posts on this forum are a pleasure to read. You’ve essentially backed believer112 into a corner with your knowledge and logic. I have contacted the Archdiocese of Manila regarding the cult (and there is no doubt in my mind that it is just that. A floating, shrinking, glowing divorced Filipino woman? Yeah, that’s just how I imagined Jesus’ second coming. Not! Jesus was perfect when he was here the first time and will be perfect when he returns.) When I hear back from Manila I will post their reply. Either way, any movement that claims to be Catholic yet causes Catholics to become estranged from the sacraments is not from God but rather from Satan.

The following is from a bulletin of the St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Society of San Bernadino dated November 2008. All BNPer’s please note that you have in effect excommunicated yoursefl from the sacraments by your continued participation in this cult.

BANAL NA PAG-AARAL (BNP)
MOVEMENT
This is to reiterate the fact the Bishop Gerald Barnes of
San Bernardino has banned this movement in the Diocese
since 1994 and that the Catholic faithful are prohibited
from joining the BNP. This statement is issued because
this movement has been recruiting new members within
the premises of St. Paul the Apostle Church. It is NOT a
Catholic organization for their teachings are incompatible
with Catholic doctrine. They have deceptively used
Catholic practices such as the Cursillo, Adoration of the
Blessed Sacrament, Block Rosary to recruit new members.
When they built their church on Riverside Dr. in Ontario,
CA, they filed with the Superior Court of California,
County of Los Angeles in Long Beach, and claimed to be
a separate church with Estanislao Hokson Stuart as their
pastor.
This movement and its teachings have been thoroughly
studied by the Catholic Church and have been banned by
the late Jaime Cardinal Sin of Manila and the Diocese of
Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago and New York
among others. Catholics are duty-bound to obey the magisterium,
the teachings of the Catholic Church through the
bishops who are successors of the apostles.
The claims of the leaders that the movement is approved
by Rome are FALSE. Members of the BNP by their action
excommunicate themselves form the Catholic
Church .

Here’s a link to the PDF version of the above:
seascc-ont.org/bulletins/513299_Bulletin_081116.pdf
 
rommelh said:
Dear Brother in Christ Jesus,
First I would like to apologize for the Council’s action towards your issue. I am sure it was a misunderstanding and it is always two side in the coin! BUt being a leader He should have known better.
To answer you concern about the website, BNP does not have because BNP is not business entity and does not advertise. Just like JESUS back then does not have adorn garments nor blow horn to tell people I AM Here! If you really want to see Him you have to go to him and He is not too hard to find. BNP is not hard to find they are everywhere and the main place is in ONTARIO California. I am sure you have been there if you are a member. I suggest you should go there and there are councils who can accommodate you.
In my years in the BNP I have meet some good people and other not so good but this is the training ground for me for I need to learn to love the people who are unloveable. See in the BNP it is between YOU and GOD - no pointing fingers nor scape goating. You must be responsible for your own actions. To be safe and in line, you must read the WORD of GOD and that’s where it will all begins. PSALM 1 says " Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the wicked, Nor standeth in the way of sinners, Nor sitteth in the seat of scoffers: BUT his DELIGHT is in the WORD of GOD" and in HIS LAW doth he meditates day and night. Now in your issue, GOD put this UNLOVEABLE people to bring the BEST in YOU… Remember PEOPLE meant BAD for you but GOD meant it for GOOD. So the Moral lesson in your issue was that what was GOD teaching you in this circumstances? Did you pass His Test?

JOSEPH was sold by his brothers and was jailed, beaten and accussed but in the end HE was one of the most Blessed and Powerful man in EGYPT! GENESIS 50
How did Joseph do it? It’s all about ATTITUDE and his PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
So my dear brother to be the real follower of CHRIST LOVE the UNLOVEABLE!!! Sorry we don’t have a choice!

Blessings and Peace to you and your Family:
Brother Rommelh
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Brother Rommelh,

It seems like you are the best BNP brother in Christ at BNP. I can tell you this because you responded my email. I tried some council members who are Ate Salve’s inner circle but they prefer to keep quiet instead of listening to me regarding our problem here in Oxnard Fatima Group. If you feel free to meet me and let us talk then let’s do it. I know you Rommelh. You are one of the performers during my Panawagan Retreat last Jan. 2008.
Try to attend Oxnard Friday vigil and ask their leader to call me and let’s talk. I even want to talk to Ate Salve personally if I will be given a chance. I like BNP and some staff and council members but I hate this one and I can mention his name to you if you want to meet me in Oxnard.

Your brother in Christ,
Bro. Santino
 
Dear Bro. Santino,
Thank you for your kind remarks and I am just doing what a real christian should do. First, I would like to share to you some insights if you don’t mind. GOD allows us to have unloveble people in our lives not to make our lives miserable but to bring the best in us. He even allows our spouses and familly member to be indefferent with us not to bring divisions but to bring goodness in us. Through this we can show to the people we love that CHRIST is living in us. Remember People meant bad but GOD meant good for US. Look at the story of JOSEPH (latter part of EXODUS) His brothers were jealous of him. They plot to kill him but GOD did not allow it! He was then sold for slavery. Again they meant bad for Him but GOD meant Good!!! JOSEPH became one of the powerful man in EGYPT.
See brother, JESUS allowed this undesireble man in your lives to BRING the GOODNES in you. GOD wanted for us to Walk the Talk. CHRIST reminded us in his Scripture that “if a man slap you on your left cheek offer your right cheek also”. JESUS also command us to love our enemies!!! very very hard to do but it’s a commandment! Again the bottom line is LOVE. This is how people can tell that CHRIST is in us.
With my experience with people, you can tell what a person is made of when you put him into a stressful situation compromising his personality. You will immediately see if JESUS is in him. If CHRIST is not in him then it is our duty to show him how by responding in a LOVING and KIND words. We also need to pray for him. Believe me brother if our attitude is like that, we will not feel any ill feelings towards any of our brothers and sisters. Even our relationship at home will change.
One final thing, I have learned that WHAT i WANT i should do. Not she or they will do for me. I want Understanding then be understanding. I want patience then be patient. I want to be love then LOVE. In short it is better to GIVE than to RECEIVE and be peaceful. In JESUS Sermon on the mount HE said" Blesses are those who are PEACEMAKERS for they will shall be called the SONS of GOD". (Mathew 5).
Brother Start a personal relationship with GOD by reading his WORDS. The evil one wants us not to read the BIBLE because if we know the WORD of GOD he has no power over us. PLUS the weakness of GOD is to a person who know HIS WORDS. WHY? Imagine when the day comes for us to come home with the LORD," He will ask us why should I let you to my kingdom?" You can boldly say well LORD you promised and said with your WORDS that whoever believes in CHRIST JESUS(YOU) will not perished but inherit the KINGDOM of GOD! JOHN 3:16 and follow up with a childish word of YOU said it not i!
I truly believe that GOD will just say WELCOME HOME!!!

GOD bless my brother and keep the FAITH … the product of our FAITH is GOOD WORKS (Letter of JAMES)_.
I encourage you to pick the BIBLE and start learning his promises to us. When GOD promise, HE is incapable of BREAKING it.
 
Brother Santino:
I also have to remind you that for the BNP people I am not a STAFF but for MNI i am!!!
I will always be a STAFF for when GOD appoints HE does not disappoints!!!
I am not physical active participating in the BNP affairs but in spirit I will always be there. I might not have Silver or Gold but the LOVE of GOD ( Paul the Apostle). Brother start a personal relationship with our GOD by reading HIS WORDS. It will change YOU. King DAVID starts His days by soaking in GODS word. (PSALM 1) . Even our Blessed Mother if you truly understand Her, She is always pointing to JESUS. We say the Rosary not to utter it but to meditate on The Life and Passion of CHRIST JESUS. Our Blessed Mother Knew that ONLY JESUS gives ETERNAL LIFE! Get to know him through HIS WORDS.

Peace and Joy:
Bro. Rommelh
 
rommelh said:
Brother Santino:
I also have to remind you that for the BNP people I am not a STAFF but for MNI i am!!!
I will always be a STAFF for when GOD appoints HE does not disappoints!!!
I am not physical active participating in the BNP affairs but in spirit I will always be there. I might not have Silver or Gold but the LOVE of GOD ( Paul the Apostle). Brother start a personal relationship with our GOD by reading HIS WORDS. It will change YOU. King DAVID starts His days by soaking in GODS word. (PSALM 1) . Even our Blessed Mother if you truly understand Her, She is always pointing to JESUS. We say the Rosary not to utter it but to meditate on The Life and Passion of CHRIST JESUS. Our Blessed Mother Knew that ONLY JESUS gives ETERNAL LIFE! Get to know him through HIS WORDS.

Peace and Joy:
Bro. Rommelh
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My dear Brother Rommelh,

Thank you for responding and thank you for the words of wisdom. It enlightens my day. You should be sending these words of God to our Oxnard Fatima group leader and one of her members. They almost ruin my life due to mishandling my case. You are right, I need to read more of God’s words and teachings of humility. Please email me at amstr26@aol.com because I want to discuss my story with you. I’ve already met you personally at BNP so we probably both recognize each other. Tell me when and where. If you feel comfortable to meet me and my wife we would be glad to tell you our side of story in the name of BNP. I want to discuss this with you because this one disciple of MNI acted as our mediator and nothing happened and things went worse until I wrote him that I am out of BNP until God will show me sign to reconcile with him in the name of BNP. I’m hoping to hear from you soon. I prefer to be talking to younger BNP staff members instead of the elders. You may ask me to name names of ate Salve’s inner circle members that I talked to. They were all quiet and never responded to my e-mails. They were once my visitors at our parties at home.

Your brother in Christ,
Bro. Santino
 
Thanks be to God. Congrats to the BNP youth convention in Rome on receiving the greeting and blessing from Pope Benedict XVI at the audience 9/2/09.

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😦 It is sad to see that wolves in sheep clothing have infiltrated the Vatican. BNP is a cult and will remain so as long as the demon that posseses Ate Salve masquerades as Jesus.
She is merely a false prophet. As in the Bible in Matthew…

Matthew 7: 15 - 20 “Beware of the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree can not produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits.”

BNP" fruits" are tainted WITH LIES. The fanatical staff followers in this cult are beyond reason and continue to brain wash and lie to their own family members and friends about the so called Roman Catholic teachings they claim to profess and follow. The demon(s) that possesses Ate Salve are laughing and enjoying the divsions they have caused within families of the Roman Catholic Church. The demonic power within her is strong as Lucifer is strong but not strong enough at the end to overcome the true Jesus.

If you are new to BNP and have been invited into their retreats…beware as Matthew proclaims! Talk to your parish pastor and seek wisdom before you become more involved with this cult. Your soul depends on it!!👍
 
Thanks R. A. for the lovely scripture. Good luck in all you do and I hope you find whatever it is you’re looking for. You’re prayed for.
 
I’m a fallen catholic, but now I’m back and very Catholic because of the BNP. The teachings in the retreat are all Catholics. Majority of the people that is against the BNP are Filipinos (some Filipino priest too). It is bad because majority of there members (BNP) are Filipinos.
Regarding the Blessed Mother, we, Catholics believed that she is in Heaven. If I am Jesus I will bring my mother with me, wouldn’t you?
 
I hear so many stories about BNP. Even here in our diocese there are lots of members from that group. Recently I heard about the change of their names. Instead of BNP it becomes Traveling Fatima. Whatever the reason of changing the names I have no idea nor information. There are mix response here. Which I am not sure of this said group.

What I am trying to appeal to all those BNP members who are here in this forum. Will you please give me some proof of the approval from Vatican. And one of you here mention that it was only banned with Cardinal Sin. Do you have any proof of your approval with the Cardinal Rosales. We want the truth and we want to follow what the teaching of the church.Padre PIo as you mention yes he was told to stop for awhile. But Saint Pio obey it. With regards to St. Bernadette she was told not to go back the apparation place and she follow. It took sometimes for the church to examine. And there are reason for that; that the church does not want to lead anybody to error or hersies. Again where is that approval from the HolySee.If you can give me the link that the Vatican has approved this group then that would be good.

BNP members I am seriously appealing to all of you here please give us the proof.
 
ckm8t be careful when you said that Ate Salve is being posses by demon, because if you are wrong you are sinning against the Holy Spirit. Jesus said that blasphemy to the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven.
 
graciesuico, the best proof is to join the retreat and bring your Bible and Catechism of the Catholic Church. Because no mater what proof we show, you will not believe.
 
Polang, thank for you response but I dont think I should attend the retreat.
Why can’t you give me the proof of the approval from vatican and the Bishop from the Philippines. This is my first time to hear this group. I grow up in the Philippines but I didnt hear this group.

If I have the approval from the Vatican I would be so proud to put it here online to proved that this group is authentic

Is need to enter someone’s body to tell the people? Look at the saints when they receive private revelation Jesus didnt enter or possess them He will appear and give them instruction. What about with Ate Salve ? Is she really following the leaders of the church or should we she is just using the name of the catholic Church. I know in the Philippines many people who are devoted to mother Mary and the Sacred Heart.
So what is the name of your group now polang is it Fatima Group. Since this group banned also here in the the Diocese. …Where is the approval ?
 
Graciesuico, It’s true that we are not approve by the Vatican yet, but it is also true that we are not banned. Some diocese did banned us but not all. Our name is not Fatima group it so happened that some people called us that name.We are the BNP, and I’m proud of it.
IF you don’t believe in our movement so be it, but please don’t hate us. I don’t know why most of the people that hate the BNP are Filipinos, our kababayan, Why? Why are you persecuting us? Please answer me.
 
polang1234 said:
Graciesuico, It’s true that we are not approve by the Vatican yet, but it is also true that we are not banned. Some diocese did banned us but not all. Our name is not Fatima group it so happened that some people called us that name.We are the BNP, and I’m proud of it.
IF you don’t believe in our movement so be it, but please don’t hate us. I don’t know why most of the people that hate the BNP are Filipinos, our kababayan, Why? Why are you persecuting us? Please answer me.
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