Backlash over Martin’s LGBT book prompts speech cancellations

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What sheep criticizes his shepherd? Sounds more like a goat. See Matthew 25 for what happens to the goats.
 
Again, all Catholics have every right to criticize clergy. And Father Martin has more than invited that criticism by his comments on homosexuality.
 
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What sheep criticizes his shepherd? Sounds more like a goat. See Matthew 25 for what happens to the goats.
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What “shepherd” spews this garbage? Have you read Matthew 7:15?

 
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I think Fr. Z hit the nail on the head here. Regardless of what he is going to talk about or why he was invited, his name is inextricably linked with the homosexualist agenda and he is too much of a lightning rod right now to justify inviting him to a seminary.
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So does the same thinking apply to conservative speakers uninvited to speak at universities? I’ve seen much the reverse of this argument made many times on this site.
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The purpose of a seminary is to teach Catholic truth, it is not meant as a forum for a free exchange of ideas, but for the transmission of Eternal truths. Can the same be said for universities? What is their purpose? Is it the same as that of a Catholic seminary?
 
Canon law requires all Catholics to speak of their clergy with reverence.
§3 They have the right, indeed at times the duty, in keeping with their knowledge, competence and position, to manifest to the sacred Pastors their views on matters which concern the good of the Church. They have the right also to make their views known to others of Christ’s faithful, but in doing so they must always respect the integrity of faith and morals, show due reverence to the Pastors and take into account both the common good and the dignity of individuals.
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http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0017/_PT.HTM
Mindful of Christ’s words to his apostles: “He who hears you, hears me”,49 The faithful receive with docility the teachings and directives that their pastors give them in different forms.
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CCC 87. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_PM.HTM

Pastor means shepherd.

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pastor | Etymology of pastor by etymonline

"shepherd, one who has care of a flock or herd" (a sense now obsolete), also figurative,… See origin and meaning of pastor.
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The problem here is, you have on the one hand people who think you must never say anything remotely critical of a cleric…no matter what nonsense the cleric speaks…and others who have a more balanced view that is indeed reverential: sometimes the most reverential thing you can do is criticize.

It is false charity and false reverence and false lots of other things to dismiss all criticism with a refrain of, “Do not criticize priests.” That does nothing but shield speakers of nonsense from being called out on the nonsense…nonsense that endangers souls.
 
Might be good to worry more about Father Martin than the people daring to point out his departure from Catholic teaching.
 
There is nothing Father says in the “full” videos that excuses what he says in the shorter version that contains the problematic statements.
 
What statements? Tell us what they are, and at what time in the video they can be found.
 
From what I read of his statements, they were correct as far as they went. They struck me as telling half of the truth - the easy, attractive half. I saw no need for, or call to repentance or chastity. That is a huge problem, and brings scandal as it appears to affirm unrepentant sinners as they are.
 
This is exactly the problem of Father’s methodology. He tells half the story in most of his comments on homosexuality. You would never get the remotest impression from his writings/speeches that homosexual acts are always objectively mortally sinful. No, you’d hear instead how they are “differently ordered.” This is very dangerous for the health of souls struggling with the affliction in question. The seminary was more than right to cancel his talk.
 
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