Baptism of babies & infants

[tweetymom]

Ed, I should have made it more obvious that I asked if you were adding to scripture. Not words, but the meaning of those words. Do you understand what I am trying to tell you?

So you are the only one who can understand the meaning? and did you read 2 Tim 3:16 and how do you read that to mean?

 

[tweetymom]

Apparently, you are a Protestant, since you quote from the Protestant King James Bible, accept and preach the Protestant version of scripture, and support Protestant members against Catholic members. Yet, your religion is listed as “catholic”. There is a dichotomy here. Can you explain. please?

That wasn’t out of the King James i9t was out of the NIV

 

[po18guy]

Ed Amen amen I say to you and you were not misquoting Scripture. sometim,es people don’t like to admit they are wrong and I know if you were you would admit it:thumbsup:

And, sometimes people claim to be Catholic, yet they quote from the Protestant King James Bible and support only Protestant posts, while being very judgmental of Catholics. Strange world we live in, huh?

 

[hosemonkey]

that was 11 Timothy3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine for reproof, for correction ,and for instruction un righteous. So according to this scripture all I need for correction is the scriptures:thumbsup:

All that this piece of Scripture says is that “All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is* profitable*.” Profitable meaning useful. It does not say that Scripture alone is the only norm that is available to us, especially as Catholics. Sola Scriptura is a protestant-spawned heresy.

 

[po18guy]

Why don’t you read 11tim 3:16:shrug:

There was no “11” Timothy, so I figure that you mean either “II” Timothy or, simply 2 Timothy.

It says “all scripture”. It does not say “scripture is all”. When Jesus ascended, there was not one word of New Testament scripture written. The was none for about 20 years after His ascension. Are you saying that Jesus abandoned His Church, since He left it without a bible? I am really confused by your opinion here.

 

[tweetymom]

There was no “11” Timothy, so I figure that you mean either “II” Timothy or, simply 2 Timothy.

It says “all scripture”. It does not say “scripture is all”. When Jesus ascended, there was not one word of New Testament scripture written. The was none for about 20 years after His ascension. Are you saying that Jesus abandoned His Church, since He left it without a bible? I am really confused by your opinion here.

Don’t be confused I did not say anything that Jesus abandoned His Church. You really like to split hairs And ALL SRIPTURE means just that all.

 

[hosemonkey]

There was no “11” Timothy, so I figure that you mean either “II” Timothy or, simply 2 Timothy.

It says “all scripture”. It does not say “scripture is all”. When Jesus ascended, there was not one word of New Testament scripture written. The was none for about 20 years after His ascension. Are you saying that Jesus abandoned His Church, since He left it without a bible? I am really confused by your opinion here.

Somehow Tweetymom has brushed up against Sola Scriptura and some of it rubbed off on her. Is that Ed guy still beating his now very defunct horse? I give him high marks for persistance but very low marks for smarts in thinking that he can convince anyone on this board (except maybe protestant or quasi-protestant posters) of the sense of his very shaky postulations. He is very much like those hopeful Jehovah’s Witnesses who approach my porch yet again in the hopes that I won’t sic my dog on them or not turn the sprinkler on (just kidding, heh heh) I have turned the sprinkler on ol’ Ed (metaphorically, of course) by placing him on ignore. Perhaps if we do not give him a forum, he will go away.

 

[guanophore]

and I’m preaching something “CRAZY”?

Personally, I don’t think it is 'crazy", just very far from what the Apsotles believed and taught.

please don’t try to excuse yourself by twisting what I said which makes me appear foolish.

You are right about this. There is no need to do anything to make you appear foolish, you take care of that by yourself.

I was taught that infant baptism is necessary so that the child would not go to hell should it die. I can assure you that a good many Catholics believe that today. But that isn’t so!

Yes, I think some Catholics might misunderstand the Church teaching on this matter. You are right, it is God who judges souls, and we commit those souls who have died with out baptism into His loving care. However, He clearly taugth that the one who is baptized has their sins washed away (original, and personal) so we obey Him in this matter because it is a sure confidence. It is like all the sacraments. Jesus is not dependent upon confession to heal the soul of sin, but we are sure that He will act in the Sacrament, so we approach Him on the throne of grace with confidence.

Jesus said the Kingdom of God belongs to the little children, so why the rush?  Baptize them when they understand. What many Catholics don’t realize is, when baptized  they are then subjects to the Pope, something Jesus or any of the apostles never taught. ED O

Such a statement reveals a deficient understanding of original sin, and of the nature of grace.

All baptized persons are subject to the pope, including you, and all of our separated brethren. There is One Flock, One Shepherd. Most of you are rebellious subjects, though.

 

[guanophore]

I am a CATHOLIC but it is not for me to be anyones judge and tell them they are wrong in their belief. Perhaps it is yours:shrug:

It is not for us to judge your soul, certainly, only God is qualified to do that. However, we are called to use discernment about behavior. What you are saying does not represent the Catholic faith, and if you were educated in the faith of the Apostles you would know that it is not considered loving to confirm others in errors.

 

[po18guy]

So you are the only one who can understand the meaning?

Why would you even think this? I have simply embraced the teaching of something much greater than all of us: the 1.1 Billion member Catholic Church, the Sacred Body of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on earth, with an unbroken 1,976 year history and Apostolic succession traceable directly back to the Twelve Apostles through the authority given them by Jesus Himself. Amen! Alleuia!

Thanks be to God, the entire world can rely on the Church, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth. Paul also wrote that, in 1 Tinothy 3:15. Have a look. It will change your life!

Now, Ed uses his own interpretation, while I use the Church’s interpretation. But, Ed does not seem to understand this or see any difference. He will also not answer even simple questions about why he is reading our own scripture back to us. I love hearing scripture. That’s one reason I go to mass. I read it at home and on-line, too.

and did you read 2 Tim 3:16 and how do you read that to mean?

You know, I didn’t pay much attention to that very clear scripture until I had to counter Protestants who, for some reason, believe that only a bible is needed. Even a cursory read of it reveals that scripture is indeed “profitable”. Anyone who is not in a coma (and some who are) knows that scripture is profitable. But, is it all that is needed? It neither says, nor does it even imply that scripture is complete, or is the only thing you need. How can a Christian know this? Well, that same “profitable” scripture tells us that it is incomplete, thus leading us to believe that something else is needed beside “scripture alone”. Just a quick read of Luke 3:18, John 20:30 and John 21:25, as well as Acts 2:40 and 1 Corinthians 11:34 reveals that the bible is incomplete. Since the bible tells us in many places that it is incomplete, I believe it. The bible would be complete only if Jesus Himself wrote it. But, He didn’t. He ordained Apostles and sent them forth into all the world. Praise the Holy Name of Jesus!

But, you know, this is far off the topic of this thread. Still, it’s good and comforting for any Christian to know.

 

[tweetymom]

Somehow Tweetymom has brushed up against Sola Scriptura and some of it rubbed off on her. Is that Ed guy still beating his now very defunct horse? I give him high marks for persistance but very low marks for smarts in thinking that he can convince anyone on this board (except maybe protestant or quasi-protestant posters) of the sense of his very shaky postulations. He is very much like those hopeful Jehovah’s Witnesses who approach my porch yet again in the hopes that I won’t sic my dog on them or not turn the sprinkler on (just kidding, heh heh) I have turned the sprinkler on ol’ Ed (metaphorically, of course) by placing him on ignore. Perhaps if we do not give him a forum, he will go away.

Maybe you should brush up on Sola Scriptura yoou might lesrn somrthing then again maybe not

 

[po18guy]

So you are the only one who can understand the meaning? and did you read 2 Tim 3:16 and how do you read that to mean?

Shouldn’t we allow Ed to answer this?

 

[po18guy]

Maybe you should brush up on Sola Scriptura yoou might lesrn somrthing then again maybe not

Oh, Tweety! I tawt I thaw a Hosemonkey! Idid! I did! Time to don your Nomex suit!

 

[tweetymom]

Shouldn’t we allow Ed to answer this?

I tell you what I am glad of that I am not like you judgemental Ed has his point and you have yours. I think you all act like Ed is a jerk when it might apply to others

 

[hosemonkey]

Maybe you should brush up on Sola Scriptura yoou might lesrn somrthing then again maybe not

Tweetymom, stay away from Sola Scriptura, but DO brush up on Spellchecker.

 

[po18guy]

Don’t be confused I did not say anything that Jesus abandoned His Church. You really like to split hairs And ALL SRIPTURE means just that all.

Unless you are ashamed of your Protestant faith, I strongly suggest that you claim it. Anyway, you are too well fed here. I have been advised not to feed you anymore. Just know that there are only hosemonkeys to put the flames out in this life. In the next, you’re on your own.

 

[guanophore]

And you are making A lot of assumptions don’t you think.

Maybe. We read what you write, and respond to it. That does include making some assumptions at times.

All I said was that a person needs to be a bit nicer to those that don’t agree

Actually, that is not all you said:

KC First let me tell you you are fighting uphill trying to explain you position with people on this thread, except for me. I know this because I onced tried to explain something and was bashed and bashed. I truely understand where you are coming from All need to read 11 Timothy 3:16:thumbsup:

You stated some untruths here. The first one was that KC is “fighting an uphill balttel trying to explain you (sic) position on with people on this thread”. We understand the postition just fine. we disagree with it because it is a departure from what the Apostles taught. Our refusal to accept this New Gospel of the Reformation as true does not mean that we don’t understand the heresy that is being presented.

Furthermore, our disagreement with your “explanations” (which have not demonstrated the Catholic faith) does not equate to us “bashing” you either. We are not going to sit around with our finger in our nose watching people post untruths and not say anything. It is not personal.

You have stated nothing that indicates you “truly understand” where KC is coming from, unless you believe that KC shares your emotional state of feeling "bashed’.

Jesus said the first Commandent is to love one another.

Love does not sit by and watch someone fall off a cliff.

Sorry but I don’t feel anything but anomosity .

Sounds like you are in for a little work on that first commandment.

while it is great to defend your faith and what you beleive in it is not right to bash people. I really don’t feel any turn the other cheek here.

It is not personal. No one knows you, KC or anyone else here personally. We are discussing the Apostolic faith. Pretending that heresies are “ok” is not helping anyone.

 

[hosemonkey]

I tell you what I am glad of that I am not like you judgemental Ed has his point and you have yours. I think you all act like Ed is a jerk when it might apply to others

Nobody is saying that Ed is a jerk. No one needs to point that out. Jerkness (Jerkness? Is that a word? Guess it is now) is self-manifested. I’m glad that YOU don’t think that Ed is a jerk, You are not like others. It’s good that we have good people like you to point out the shortcomings of us mortals.
But seriously, your positions sound very protestant, are you sure that you didn’t run up the wrong flag? I would hate to fire on friendly forces.

 

[guanophore]

Jesus said forgive them Father Even in the face of evil and all that was done to Him…

He was suffering as the Passover Lamb in order to pay the eternal price of our sins so that He can take us to heaven.

We will not get to heaven by embracing error.

 

[tweetymom]

Unless you are ashamed of your Protestant faith, I strongly suggest that you claim it. Anyway, you are too well fed here. I have been advised not to feed you anymore. Just know that there are only hosemonkeys to put the flames out in this life. In the next, you’re on your own.

I am not ashamed of my faith sir and I am a Catholic who choses to read the Bible. No I will have Jesue in my next life I don’t need you to feed me anything sir. One more question if reading and beleiving in Scripture is not where it’s at, why is it read at Mass everyday:thumbsup: