Beck: Help us restore traditional American values

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With all due respect to everyone who has posted to this topic ~ this has wandered WAY OFF.

Can we get back to the topic? Alternatively, can the moderators close what has become yet-another discussion of abortion? It wasn’t the topic. Not even close.
Well, respect for the sanctity of life is a traditional American value so we’re not that off topic. That we often end up discussing the issue of abortion show how central the life issue is and how other issues flow from it. Abortion and respect for life are not just other issues like taxes or gay marriage, without the right to life, the other issues lose their importance. What good is a right to lower taxes if you’ve been aborted? What good is housing and welfare if you’ve been aborted?

Ishii
 
Well, respect for the sanctity of life is a traditional American value so we’re not that off topic. That we often end up discussing the issue of abortion show how central the life issue is and how other issues flow from it. Abortion and respect for life are not just other issues like taxes or gay marriage, without the right to life, the other issues lose their importance. What good is a right to lower taxes if you’ve been aborted? What good is housing and welfare if you’ve been aborted?

Ishii
I don’t disagree about the importance of the issue of abortion. Everything that you have said is true. Other issues do flow from abortion. Abortion is a unique situation. Without the right to life, no other topic is truly important. I agree.

But that’s not the topic at hand. So either we need to discuss the topic, or we need to stop and move on.
 
Can we get back to the topic? Alternatively, can the moderators close what has become yet-another discussion of abortion? It wasn’t the topic. Not even close.
If Beck wasn’t talking about abortion, what was the point of his rally?
 
As I said previously, as long as there are catholics support pro-choice politicians who give us 100% abortion rights supporting justices, Roe v Wade will remain the law of the land.
Assuming that’s true, what is your solution?
 
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This thread is wandering. Please stay on the topic of the original post
 
The battle is between feelgood childhood vs. responsible adult individualism.

The child in us wants to remain in a perpetual state of blissful glee. If our teenage years are adventurous enough to shed the Church’s rules, then we have recreational sex with no commitments, do drugs, gamble, vote for others to pay for things, etc. We have turned ourselves into simpletons who lust for brain pleasurism. Why would we choose to sacrifice for others if we have the means and the free will to please ourselves?

The key is to be romantic enough to fall deeply into True Love, to pray for the Strength and the Wisdom to turn Off those Things that lead us away from God’s Covenant for Behavior, the Path to Salvation, by which adults with Free Will can Consent to Follow, to use no birth control (hear me out first), to have Romantic men who are not weakened into lusting into action for pop culture’s scantilly clad hotties, who have so much parental responsibility that Life becomes truly trying and challenging to the point that it forces individuals to find their deepest resolve, strength, Faith, Love; to find them to be greater, deeper, and more meaningful than they ever thought possible. To have nothing but Time with your kids and to realize that anticipating reliving your own childhood by playing ball in the yard with them is the most responsible way to act like an irresponsible child as in the above paragraph, only a whole lot healthier for the Family and Nation. THIS will restore traditional American Values in a world where we have the free will and the means to choose to shed responsibility and avoid the ominous “The last shall be first and the first shall be last.” It needs to be voluntary. The Attraction is the Free WIll Choice of the Church’s Rules for Living. Pop culture is the culprit. The unromantics are slowly reducing us into simpletons who can be easily controlled, who bail out on True Love once the wonderlust has worn off, and who crave chemical brain pleasurism. Fortunately, the sooner we minimize our exposure to pop culture, the EASIER it is to find Trule Love, American Values, and Romanticism in the Church’s Way.
 
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Please let me know how that fits in to the topic. Thanks.
 
I’m trying to figure out how the above post relates to “Re: Beck: Help us restore traditional American values”.

Please let me know how that fits in to the topic. Thanks.
The further we get away from traditional American values, the more we act like children in a fantasy land?
 
Assuming that’s true, what is your solution?
We need to educate, and try to change minds. The bishops and priests need to preach on this regularly. The Catholic church in America needs to walk the walk. It won’t happen overnight, but we have to start somewhere. As ***Glenn Beck said recently, “abortion kills.” ***

Ishii
 
I’m trying to figure out how the above post relates to “Re: Beck: Help us restore traditional American values”.

Please let me know how that fits in to the topic. Thanks.
Um, the promotion of love-less lust in pop culture and the attempt to legalize drugs are diametric to the Church’s message of sacrificial Love. We can’t continue to pay for a growing welfare state without going bankrupt, and we can’t force individual responsibility either. So, what can we do? We can realize that pop culture is reducing people into craving brain pleasurism rather than sacrificial Love. Then, we can free willingly choose to reduce pop culture’s negative influence on our culture. But, too many people are so romanced by pop culture that they are too close-minded and helpless to see it. As long as people are annointed by the unelected media as being open minded, the fame factor of the media produces blind faith that the open-minded label is true. The ego “feels bad” if the opposite is considered, so the ego closes the mind to consideration that many pop culture messages, like these pop divas, are promoting shallow, temporary, love-less lust. One can make the argument that the individual is actually worshipping the atheist-driven pop culture above God. Calling for “others” to give more money, while more and more numbers of people crave love-less lust is only going to eventually bankrupt us, but the child in us refuses to open our minds to consider it because it just doesn’t fit into the dream. It can’t continue this way. This is why Beck is calling for a return to traditional American Values. Does this make sense?
 
Um, the promotion of love-less lust in pop culture and the attempt to legalize drugs are diametric to the Church’s message of sacrificial Love. We can’t continue to pay for a growing welfare state without going bankrupt, and we can’t force individual responsibility either. So, what can we do? We can realize that pop culture is reducing people into craving brain pleasurism rather than sacrificial Love. Then, we can free willingly choose to reduce pop culture’s negative influence on our culture. But, too many people are so romanced by pop culture that they are too close-minded and helpless to see it. As long as people are annointed by the unelected media as being open minded, the fame factor of the media produces blind faith that the open-minded label is true. The ego “feels bad” if the opposite is considered, so the ego closes the mind to consideration that many pop culture messages, like these pop divas, are promoting shallow, temporary, love-less lust. One can make the argument that the individual is actually worshipping the atheist-driven pop culture above God. Calling for “others” to give more money, while more and more numbers of people crave love-less lust is only going to eventually bankrupt us, but the child in us refuses to open our minds to consider it because it just doesn’t fit into the dream. It can’t continue this way. This is why Beck is calling for a return to traditional American Values. Does this make sense?
I would like to comment on your notion that ‘we can’t force individual responsibility’. I view ‘individual liberty’ and ‘personal responsibility’ as going hand-in-hand. You can’t truly have one without the other. While we can’t force people to be ‘responsible’, they surely must be ‘accountable’ for their own actions.
 
I would like to comment on your notion that ‘we can’t force individual responsibility’. I view ‘individual liberty’ and ‘personal responsibility’ as going hand-in-hand. You can’t truly have one without the other. While we can’t force people to be ‘responsible’, they surely must be ‘accountable’ for their own actions.
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I would like to comment on your notion that ‘we can’t force individual responsibility’. I view ‘individual liberty’ and ‘personal responsibility’ as going hand-in-hand. You can’t truly have one without the other. While we can’t force people to be ‘responsible’, they surely must be ‘accountable’ for their own actions.
I have never been in denial about my own value system. What did I write that gave that impression??? 🤷
Sorry, had the wrong impression. Sounded like you were unaware of the situations outside your sphere of awareness.😃 So sorry.
 
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From the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, conservative broadcaster Glenn Beck told the tens of thousands of activists he drew from around the nation Saturday that the U.S. has too long "wandered in darkness

Beck also said at the rally,

" *Something beyond imagination is happening," he said. “America today begins to turn back to God.”

“For too long, this country has wandered in darkness,” said Beck, a Fox News host. He said it was now time to “concentrate on the good things in America, the things we have accomplished and the things we can do tomorrow”*

Here is my favorite quote:

"Faith is in short supply," Beck said. "To restore America, we must restore ourselves."

We must restore ourselves. Beck is spot on.

Ishii
Remember that Beck is a showman and primarily full of it and looking for money.

Remember that he was Catholic and rejected the Church

Remember that when he is talking about God he believes that there are sacred texts written after the apostles, that Christ isn’t truly God and that when we die we can all get our own planet to play god on… is he worshiping the same God your are? Our all Powerful Creator? or something else…

That sound like the “Christian” values you want your kids to have…

Don’t by into the lie of Glenn Beck, if you watch his show and actually take notes you can disprove pretty much EVERYTHING he says.

He also attacks the Church and mixes in LDS lies to plant misinformation in those who don’t know their faith.

He is a liar, Christ warned us about people like him. I would encourage everyone to turn off the filth he spews on a nightly basis. I’m OK with O’Riley, but don’t believe Hannity represents us Catholics too well with some of his misinformation.

But I would again warn everyone to not be mislead by Glenn Beck, he is spewing lies to cause problems between Americans and also misleading Christians with his LDS heresy. As Msg Pope noted in his note today regarding the Koran burnings, to intentionally mislead people and cause strife between others is a sin.

Joe
 
I would like to comment on your notion that ‘we can’t force individual responsibility’. I view ‘individual liberty’ and ‘personal responsibility’ as going hand-in-hand. You can’t truly have one without the other. While we can’t force people to be ‘responsible’, they surely must be ‘accountable’ for their own actions.
What about men who turn women into sex-and-run victims because they mostly sought the gasm on a Saturday night? You don’t run from women and kids you truly love. It’s becoming more commonplace in the suburbs. Of course they think abortion is the answer. We’re regressing into the pursuit of basic instincts. We’re going backwards, not forward. Where is the accountability? Where is the federal garnishing of wages to support the children? If there is no deterrent, then why change behavior??? Why volunteer for more responsibility when one can dish it off to the taxpayers? Pop culture not only fails to admonish these behaviors, it actually praises it as “prowess.” Wow. Cowardice and shallowness rebranded as prowess. Only in the unelected pop culture media.
 
Remember that Beck is a showman and primarily full of it and looking for money.
Showmanship got him where he is. I don’t really think he is full of it, a bit dramatic maybe, but if he was full of it there would be a long list of lies that he has deliberately told that you could point to. I mean intentional lies, meant to deceive the listener.
Remember that he was Catholic and rejected the Church
Has happened to a lot of people. Does it somehow discredit them?
Remember that when he is talking about God he believes that there are sacred texts written after the apostles, that Christ isn’t truly God and that when we die we can all get our own planet to play god on… is he worshiping the same God your are? Our all Powerful Creator? or something else…
That sound like the “Christian” values you want your kids to have…
Does not sound like values at all to me, sounds like beliefs. Some people play with rattlesnakes and speak in tounges in Church, those are not traditional values that they most likely have in common with most Churches, those are beliefs focused on their religion.
Don’t by into the lie of Glenn Beck, if you watch his show and actually take notes you can disprove pretty much EVERYTHING he says.
BS
He also attacks the Church and mixes in LDS lies to plant misinformation in those who don’t know their faith.
Yes, yes…the whole social justice rant. :yawn:
He is a liar, Christ warned us about people like him. I would encourage everyone to turn off the filth he spews on a nightly basis. I’m OK with O’Riley, but don’t believe Hannity represents us Catholics too well with some of his misinformation.
I’m about to turn off my computer.
But I would again warn everyone to not be mislead by Glenn Beck, he is spewing lies to cause problems between Americans and also misleading Christians with his LDS heresy. As Msg Pope noted in his note today regarding the Koran burnings, to intentionally mislead people and cause strife between others is a sin.
Yes, well…I think you are intentionally trying to mislead people. I’ll watch Beck if there’s nothing else on, and he talks about the lifes we should be leading. Personal responsibility, faith, love, honor.
 
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