Beck: Help us restore traditional American values

[CMatt25]

would you mind going to this web site below and give them some of my money?

I don’t have any of your money. Your President and mine did not push or demand a public option, remember? And in any case by your posts it doesn’t appear like you are in the income bracket I wish to tax (steal by your definition) more money from in the first place.

 

[bbarrick8383]

While I drive around the oil field making money to feed my my family, and through coercion, other people as well. I must concede my point. It is not stealing as that implies sneaky theft, possibly unarmed. Instead I now believe it should be considered armed robbery.

 

[dmelosi]

Thank you.

I’m not sure what this really means. Before the Great Society, there were poor people, some of whom were chronically poor. Are there more chronically poor now? If so, it doesn’t naturally follow that welfare is the sole cause of increased chronic poverty.

But, at least we are in agreement that isn’t stealing.

The argument I am making is that more and more government dependency leads to people being dependent on government to make their decisions and choose their way of life.

Take away the incentive to do your best and mental growth stops and complacency sets in. Why should anyone take a risk to improve?

That is what this socialistic/marxist decent is doing to our country. It is saying it is ok to not do your best…it is ok to be average.

 

[Black_Rose]

The argument I am making is that more and more government dependency leads to people being dependent on government to make their decisions and choose their way of life.

Take away the incentive to do your best and mental growth stops and complacency sets in. Why should anyone take a risk to improve?

That is what this socialistic/marxist decent is doing to our country. It is saying it is ok to not do your best…it is ok to be average.

By definition, there would be some people above the average and some people below. I do not know what the precise distribution would be.

 

[CMatt25]

CMatt, I think what many of these people are saying, and saying correctly, is that the Constitution does not give these powers to the Federal Government.

Yes I know that’s what they are saying whether correctly or incorrectly.
I and others shall continue to argue the right of the people to empower a federal government to provide unemployment benefits.

 

[Catherine_D]

Yes I know that’s what they are saying whether correctly or incorrectly.
I and others shall continue to argue the right of the people to empower a federal government to provide unemployment benefits.

If the people want the federal government to provide unemployment benefits directly, that will require an amendment to the Constitution. The Constitution provides a process for amendment, as you well know.

What is unconstitutional is just doing it with absolutely no legal authority to do so.

This isn’t about whether some benefit or another is good or bad. It is about the rights of the States.

 

[CMatt25]

If the people want the federal government to provide unemployment benefits directly, that will require an amendment to the Constitution. The Constitution provides a process for amendment, as you well know.

What is unconstitutional is just doing it with absolutely no legal authority to do so.

This isn’t about whether some benefit or another is good or bad. It is about the rights of the States.

No it won’t. It only requires electing the people to do the job. But otherwise as is your opinion and interpretation. God bless you.

 

[CMatt25]

If the people want the federal government to provide unemployment benefits directly, that will require an amendment to the Constitution. The Constitution provides a process for amendment, as you well know.

What is unconstitutional is just doing it with absolutely no legal authority to do so.

This isn’t about whether some benefit or another is good or bad. It is about the rights of the States.

Catherine, I can understand the dismay you might have over abortion in 1973. But I must admit I find it very difficult, amazing actually, that you were a supporter of Bobby Kennedy, as you have stated on the forum you were and were present at the hotel on the night he was assasinated.

I find it so amazing because you certainly argue against not the values of Beck. But against the American values Bobby Kennedy stood for. Bobby Kennedy was a champion of the poor. Bobby Kennedy advocated against killing innocent human beings in war.

At a speech he gave at the Indiana University Medical Center, one of the students called out: “Where are we going to get the money to pay for all these new programs you’re proposing?” Kennedy replied: “From you… You are the privileged ones here. It’s easy for you to sit back and say it’s the fault of the Federal Government. But it’s our responsibility too.

spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAkennedyR.htm

Peace.

 

[Catherine_D]

People grow and, with any luck, mature over a period of 45 years or so.

Sorry you apparently don’t believe in the Constitution. I’m finished with this.

Have a nice life CMatt.

 

[CMatt25]

Have a nice life CMatt.

u2

 

[Good_News_1]

What is unconstitutional is just doing it with absolutely no legal authority to do so.

You get to decide what the Constitution means to you. Pay no mind to the Supreme Court.

 

[bbarrick8383]

I don’t have any of your money. Your President and mine did not push or demand a public option, remember? And in any case by your posts it doesn’t appear like you are in the income bracket I wish to tax (steal by your definition) more money from in the first place.

Your right, I pay nothing when I file my taxes at the end of the year.

 

[bbarrick8383]

You get to decide what the Constitution means to you. Pay no mind to the Supreme Court.

The problem is, your interpretation infringes upon my right to a pursuit of happiness.

I see the solution, but liberals know they can not go at it alone without conservatives. They fight against the right of secession, because they know that most of the states that might want to secede are states that would do just fine without them. Liberals on the other hand need those states, because the only thing they know how to run is other peoples lives.

It would be an interesting experiment, two governments, one pure liberal, one pure conservative side by side. See who comes out on top, whose people are happier, whose are more employed, whose poor are more taken care of. Liberals would get beat, hands down they do not stand a chance. It’s just too bad they cant leave people alone.

 

[CMatt25]

Your right, I pay nothing when I file my taxes at the end of the year.

bbarrick, so there ya go! We can thank the federal government’s tax laws for that! Now only if we could get that code changed so just the top 3% go back to the rates they were paying in the Clinton yrs when they were still doing just fine, economy was better then, and at least start to put a little dent in that deficit. But how’s your local property taxes going? My home’s market value has dropped 75% but my local property taxes are still within $20 of what they were 4 yrs ago. Go figure. God bless ya brother and peace!

 

[Catherine_D]

Detroit is a good example of what happens when Democrats are in charge of a city. It’s a failed city. It has been driven into the ground. There are numerous other examples all over the country, but it’s a safe bet that if you see a city in crisis, it’s been in Democrat control for a long time. So it’s hard to see how Democrats are so good at managing things on a local level.

Similarly, where I live in California, the Democrats in the legislature, the ones that control the spending, are driving the state into bankruptcy. They spend all their time doing mostly these things:

1. 
   *]Dreaming up accounting tricks to make the fiscal problem look better than it really is. The reality is we are hopelessly in debt and have no way to pay for the obligations already on the books, much less anything more.
   *]Trying to figure out how to borrow more money to pay for all the programs they have dreamed up.
   *]Trying to figure out how to squeeze more taxes from people that are already among the highest taxed in the entire country.
   *]Trying to figure out some other petty way to control our lives with endless government dictates.
   
   I’m sick of it. I’m tired of being told what to do, and how to live my life. I don’t mind helping the less fortunate, but I’m tired of paying taxes to support people who don’t have my work ethic and think government assistance is their “due”. I’ve never received a penny of government assistance in my life and I never will. I won’t even receive Social Security, so no one needs to bash me about that. Social Security is happy to take my contributions (already in the tens of thousands of dollars, I get regular statements to remind me!) but I will never receive a penny in benefits. How fair is that? Who else gets to pay thousands of dollars into a system that they know will never receive even a penny from in return?
   
   Further, how fair is it that my Mother, God rest her soul, paid into Social Security for nearly 50 years, but then she died, suddenly and unexpectedly, at the age of 61. So all her Social Security contributions were forfeited to the government. She never benefitted, and, unlike any other sort of “pension” plan, her contributions were not something that she could leave to her heirs. So she just got to pay into a program for nothing too, just like me, but for a different reason. It’s just WRONG to make people pay for a program unless there are benefits attached to it that cannot be taken away.
   
   The welfare state and the class warfare has now gone too far. A lot of us are sick of it. It’s no doubt true that people have been complacent, probably for far too long. But the line has to be drawn and people are drawing it.
   
   It would be erroneous, and simplistic, to think that this is somehow an attack on the poor or the unfortunate. The failed policies of the past need to be reformed, true, but that doesn’t mean that no one cares about the poor. In fact, I believe that the best way to help the poor is to help raise them out of poverty, something no “anti-poverty” program has ever achieved, after decades under the Democrat model. So why don’t we try something else? Like education? Like job training? Like a way OUT of poverty instead of a perpetual status of “in poverty”? The reason why is that the Democrats would lose a captive voting block if that happened. It’s called “the Liberal Plantation”. It’s like slavery, but without the whole work thing.

 

[bbarrick8383]

bbarrick, so there ya go! We can thank the federal government’s tax laws for that! Now only if we could get that code changed so just the top 3% go back to the rates they were paying in the Clinton yrs when they were still doing just fine and at least start to put a little dent in that deficit.

Oh, forgot to mention. Me, my brother and our parents run two companies and a small cattle operation. We do pay a considerable amount of taxes there. We have a lot of revenue, but a lot of overhead and with the taxes we have we cant afford to do the things we would like to do. Hire more people, provide better services to our customers, donate more to charity.

But how’s your local property taxes going? My home’s market value has dropped 75% but my local property taxes are still within $20 of what they were 4 yrs ago. Go figure. God bless ya brother and peace!

It’s Oklahoma, our property taxes have always been low. My homes worth as much as it was the day I bought it 2 years ago.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Detroit is a good example of what happens when Democrats are in charge of a city. It’s a failed city. It has been driven into the ground. There are numerous other examples all over the country, but it’s a safe bet that if you see a city in crisis, it’s been in Democrat control for a long time. So it’s hard to see how Democrats are so good at managing things on a local level.

Similarly, where I live in California, the Democrats in the legislature, the ones that control the spending, are driving the state into bankruptcy. They spend all their time doing mostly these things:

1. 
   *]Dreaming up accounting tricks to make the fiscal problem look better than it really is. The reality is we are hopelessly in debt and have no way to pay for the obligations already on the books, much less anything more.
   *]Trying to figure out how to borrow more money to pay for all the programs they have dreamed up.
   *]Trying to figure out how to squeeze more taxes from people that are already among the highest taxed in the entire country.
   *]Trying to figure out some other petty way to control our lives with endless government dictates.
   
   I’m sick of it. I’m tired of being told what to do, and how to live my life. I don’t mind helping the less fortunate, but I’m tired of paying taxes to support people who don’t have my work ethic and think government assistance is their “due”. I’ve never received a penny of government assistance in my life and I never will. I won’t even receive Social Security, so no one needs to bash me about that. Social Security is happy to take my contributions (already in the tens of thousands of dollars, I get regular statements to remind me!) but I will never receive a penny in benefits. How fair is that? Who else gets to pay thousands of dollars into a system that they know will never receive even a penny from in return?
   
   Further, how fair is it that my Mother, God rest her soul, paid into Social Security for nearly 50 years, but then she died, suddenly and unexpectedly, at the age of 61. So all her Social Security contributions were forfeited to the government. She never benefitted, and, unlike any other sort of “pension” plan, her contributions were not something that she could leave to her heirs. So she just got to pay into a program for nothing too, just like me, but for a different reason. It’s just WRONG to make people pay for a program unless there are benefits attached to it that cannot be taken away.
   
   The welfare state and the class warfare has now gone too far. A lot of us are sick of it. It’s no doubt true that people have been complacent, probably for far too long. But the line has to be drawn and people are drawing it.
   
   It would be erroneous, and simplistic, to think that this is somehow an attack on the poor or the unfortunate. The failed policies of the past need to be reformed, true, but that doesn’t mean that no one cares about the poor. In fact, I believe that the best way to help the poor is to help raise them out of poverty, something no “anti-poverty” program has ever achieved, after decades under the Democrat model. So why don’t we try something else? Like education? Like job training? Like a way OUT of poverty instead of a perpetual status of “in poverty”? The reason why is that the Democrats would lose a captive voting block if that happened. It’s called “the Liberal Plantation”. It’s like slavery, but without the whole work thing.

1. 
   Nice job, couldn’t have said it any better if I wanted to.
   
   Unfortunately, liberals believe that what your mother paid into it was good for the collective and it never really belonged to her anyway.
   
   Arbeit macht frei!

 

[CMatt25]

I’m tired of paying taxes
Yes we know you became tired sometime after you supported Bobby Kennedy for POTUS

I’ve never received a penny of government assistance in my life
Neither have I. Well allow me to rephrase that. My father died when I was 4 and my mother received benefits on my behalf. She worked but thank God for Social Security.

I won’t even receive Social Security
You know this for sure how? Oh yes wait once Sharron Angle, Joe Miller and all the rest of those Tea Party Republicans (I was told on another thread to call them Republicans) dismantle it.

Further, how fair is it that my Mother, God rest her soul, paid into Social Security for nearly 50 years, but then she died, suddenly and unexpectedly, at the age of 61.
I am very sorry to hear about your mother. Indeed God bless her soul. I will pray for her soul. But SS being a contract with Americans, while perhaps not perfect, has worked for vastly many more over the yrs. Look how many lost their entire private personal retirement portfolios not long ago. I thanked God then SS was not privatized.

So why don’t we try something else? Like education? Like job training?
Because who is going to pay for it? The Republicans would lose their base if they raised taxes. And obviously not you since you are tired of payng taxes. That’s the problem. You want the services be it education, jobs programs or what have you. But you aren’t willing to pay to support them. Can’t have it both ways. Of course I could have found a billion dollars or so a wk in Iraq.

 

[TEPO]

If the government were to suddenly disappear, what would those addicted to welfare do? Would they just be shocked or what…? I bet they would either band together with guitars in hand and begin selling crafts - or try their butts off individually at improving their lives.

I support care for the poorest of the poor and for the disabled, but there is just no way that even a majority of those on welfare are truly disabled… I dont believe it. There should be a time-cap on welfare.

 

[Catherine_D]

If the government were to suddenly disappear, what would those addicted to welfare do? Would they just be shocked or what…? I bet they would either band together with guitars in hand and begin selling crafts - or try their butts off individually at improving their lives.

I support care for the poorest of the poor and for the disabled, but there is just no way that even a majority of those on welfare are truly disabled… I dont believe it. There should be a time-cap on welfare.

I disagree.

And I would offer Greece as an example.