Being a Police Officer, Being a Catholic

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A good doctor wouldn’t recommend someone to perform evil medical procedures. Why some people are so repulsed by the Church’s position on obedience to human authorities is beyond me.
 
devoutchristian said:
A good doctor wouldn’t recommend someone to perform evil medical procedures. Why some people are so repulsed by the Church’s position on obedience to human authorities is beyond me.
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Your wrong, a doctor is bound by his oath and the law to recommend another physician to perform any **legal ** medical procedure whether he deems it evil or not.
 
R1ch4rd said:
Your wrong, a doctor is bound by his oath and the law to recommend another physician to perform any **legal ** medical procedure whether he deems it evil or not.
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This is exactly my point, such an oath is wrong. A doctor is bound by God not to provide means in which a woman can have an Abortion.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
josh987654321 said:
This is exactly my point, such an oath is wrong. A doctor is bound by God not to provide means in which a woman can have an Abortion.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
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All the Catholic doctors better become plastic surgeons I guess. Providing means and providing information are worlds apart.
 
R1ch4rd said:
All the Catholic doctors better become plastic surgeons I guess. Providing means and providing information are worlds apart.
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Some coward from the 1940's:
Yes Mr. Eichmann, the Jews are right inside, follow me.
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The Church doesn’t share your view of cooperation with evil.
 
It is not supporting the cause to protect a person’s rights and well-being.

I hope God blesses you in your career pursuit. Police officers deserve our highest respect and recognition.
 
devoutchristian said:
“Yes Mr. Eichmann, the Jews are right inside, follow me.”

The Church doesn’t share your view of cooperation with evil.
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this thread is about being a police officer and catholic.

if your (the generic your) personal scruples resulted in harm to me, my family or my property because you refused to do your job as a cop, you’d be in the dock with your department and the city/county and one or more of you is going pay big time.

interesting comment about cooperation with evil though, the forum’s francisco franco supporters disagree entirely.
 
Fairwinds said:
this thread is about being a police officer and catholic.

if your (the generic your) personal scruples resulted in harm to me, my family or my property because you refused to do your job as a cop, you’d be in the dock with your department and the city/county and one or more of you is going pay big time.

interesting comment about cooperation with evil though, the forum’s francisco franco supporters disagree entirely.
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The post I responded to was about evil medical procedures. What is your obsession with Franco, you seem to draw him into every thread no matter how irrelevant your comments about him may be?
 
devoutchristian said:
The post I responded to was about evil medical procedures. What is your obsession with Franco, you seem to draw him into every thread no matter how irrelevant your comments about him may be?
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that was an aside, and offered only as a counterexample as to what some catholics think the church teaches.

again, if you (the generic you) can’t do your job as a cop, don’t get hired, because if your scruples harm someone, its going to cost you personally.
 
R1ch4rd said:
Then perhaps you should show me a source on exactly what the Church’s view on LEO’s and doctors would be. All I see I see from you is opinion.
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Catechism #1868. Do you think that it is wrong to give a hypothetical Mr. Eichmann “information”?
 
devoutchristian said:
Catechism #1868. Do you think that it is wrong to give a hypothetical Mr. Eichmann “information”?
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1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them: (1736)
—by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
—by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
—by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
—by protecting evil-doers.
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This is it? Surely you have more!
2310 Public authorities, in this case, have the right and duty to impose on citizens the obligations necessary for national defense. (2239, 1909)
Those who are sworn to serve their country in the armed forces are servants of the security and freedom of nations. If they carry out their duty honorably, they truly contribute to the common good of the nation and the maintenance of peace.10
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I’ll respond with this.
 
devoutchristian said:
Answer the question. Would it be wrong to “just give information” to a hypothetical Mr. Eichmann?
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eichmann wasn’t accused of hunting Jews, he was the transportation administrator for the final solution. not getting basic historical facts right hurts your credibility.
 
Fairwinds said:
eichmann wasn’t accused of hunting Jews, he was the transportation administrator for the final solution. not getting basic historical facts right hurts your credibility.
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I wasn’t referring to a specific person, but was creating a hypothetical with a Gestapo officer with a German name.
 
devoutchristian said:
Answer the question. Would it be wrong to “just give information” to a hypothetical Mr. Eichmann?
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I’ll answer your hypothetical with a real life question. Was it wrong for any US citizen to “just give information” to the DOD on Japanese US citizens during WWII?

With this in mind, if I were a German citizen during that time, it would not be wrong to Just give information", not knowing what the outcome would be.

With that answered, we really should get back to the OP’s question and stay away from comparing a police officer with a Gestapo member.
 
R1ch4rd said:
I’ll answer your hypothetical with a real life question. Was it wrong for any US citizen to “just give information” to the DOD on Japanese US citizens during WWII?

With this in mind, if I were a German citizen during that time, it would not be wrong to Just give information", not knowing what the outcome would be.

With that answered, we really should get back to the OP’s question and stay away from comparing a police officer with a Gestapo member.
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Yes if someone was hiding from the authorities in order to avoid arbitrary deportation to a concentration camp, and some rat gave away their location, then that would be immoral, as basic decency tells us. Obviously the sinfulness of the betrayal would be aggravated if the concentration camp also served as a forced labor/death camp. And since you apparently haven’t been paying attention, the comparison was between baby killers and Gestapo officers.
 
devoutchristian said:
Yes if someone was hiding from the authorities in order to avoid arbitrary deportation to a concentration camp, and some rat gave away their location, then that would be immoral, as basic decency tells us. Obviously the sinfulness of the betrayal would be aggravated if the concentration camp also served as a forced labor/death camp. And since you apparently haven’t been paying attention, the comparison was between baby killers and Gestapo officers.
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Do us a favor and tie all this into the name of this thread. :confused: Didn’t we start with a young man’s question on Law Enforcement ethics and Catholic morality? How did we get to baby killing and Gestapo officers? You may have some valid points… for a different thread.
 
R1ch4rd said:
Do us a favor and tie all this into the name of this thread. :confused: Didn’t we start with a young man’s question on Law Enforcement ethics and Catholic morality? How did we get to baby killing and Gestapo officers? You may have some valid points… for a different thread.
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Someone said that if there was any possibility that a person could be asked to perform an action they regarded as immoral as part of their job as a police officer, then they shouldn’t be a police officer. Josh pointed out that by that line of reasoning a Catholic shouldn’t become a doctor because they could be asked to perform an abortion or another evil medical procedure. You said that a doctor could always recommend someone else. I pointed out that that would be immoral. You responded by claiming that giving information necessary for evil to happen was morally licit. I showed the absurdity of that position, by pointing out that no decent person would give such information in an analogous situation.
 
devoutchristian said:
Someone said that if there was any possibility that a person could be asked to perform an action they regarded as immoral as part of their job as a police officer, then they shouldn’t be a police officer. Josh pointed out that by that line of reasoning a Catholic shouldn’t become a doctor because they could be asked to perform an abortion or another evil medical procedure. You said that a doctor could always** recommend someone else**. I pointed out that that would be immoral. You responded by claiming that giving information necessary for evil to happen was morally licit. I showed the absurdity of that position, by pointing out that no decent person would give such information in an analogous situation.
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I’m sure this has come up thousands of times with Catholic doctors and recommending his patient see another doctor because he would not perform a procedure is not immoral. Is the doctor supposed to stand before his patient and not say a word? By refusing, he’s done his moral duty, IMO. I’m not that familiar with the medical profession but if you’d like to discuss the morality of being a police officer…fire away 😉
 
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