Being a Police Officer, Being a Catholic

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R1ch4rd said:
I’m sure this has come up thousands of times with Catholic doctors and recommending his patient see another doctor because he would not perform a procedure is not immoral. Is the doctor supposed to stand before his patient and not say a word? By refusing, he’s done his moral duty, IMO. I’m not that familiar with the medical profession but if you’d like to discuss the morality of being a police officer…fire away 😉
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Recommending a specific doctor is morally equivalent to telling a Gestapo officer where a Jew is hiding (assuming that the procedure in question is abortion).
 
devoutchristian said:
Recommending a specific doctor is morally equivalent to telling a Gestapo officer where a Jew is hiding (assuming that the procedure in question is abortion).
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Agreed. A Catholic doctor recommending an abortion doctor is wrong. A Catholic doctor recommending his patient see another doctor (non specific) because he doesn’t do abortions is not. What else is he to say???

I’m off doctors and I’m certainly off the Gestapo and at this point it really doesn’t seem to matter as the OP hasn’t chimed in since opening the thread.

Bottom line…Catholics can be, and are cops and IMO make darn good ones.
 
R1ch4rd said:
Agreed. A Catholic doctor recommending an abortion doctor is wrong. A Catholic doctor recommending his patient see another doctor (non specific) because he doesn’t do abortions is not. What else is he to say???
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He could say that he’s not prepared to do it, and not recommend that the patient sees anyone else.
 
R1ch4rd said:
Bottom line…Catholics can be, and are cops and IMO make darn good ones.
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Absolutely.

My point being that the law in which LEO’s serve won’t always be right, there may come a time where they must reject what is “required” of them and that would be if such requirements were in conflict with God’s laws, with conscience.

This is why I reacted when posters were telling him to “just do your job.”

This is why I brought up the Doctor scenario where they are required by law to recommend an abortionist if they refuse to do the procedure themselves, this is an example of an immoral law that is in conflict with our conscience, this is an example of a “legal requirement” which should be refused regardless of what the law say’s or what is “required” of a Doctor.

My point being, that we should be mindful and careful in any career, we should all be mindful that we are subject to a higher authority (God’s) and to never allow man’s laws to become the highest authority.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
josh987654321 said:
Absolutely.

My point being that the law in which LEO’s serve won’t always be right, there may come a time where they must reject what is “required” of them and that would be if such requirements were in conflict with God’s laws, with conscience.

Josh
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Just curious, can you give me an example where this may happen? (preferably not involving doctors or Nazi’s)
 
R1ch4rd said:
Just curious, can you give me an example where this may happen? (preferably not involving doctors or Nazi’s)
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An officer could be ordered to arrest pro-life protestors for violating bubble laws.
 
devoutchristian said:
An officer could be ordered to arrest pro-life protestors for violating bubble laws.
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And if there were bubble laws and a pro-life protester broke them would it not be an officers job to arrest them as well as any pro-choice protesters who broke said law?
 
R1ch4rd said:
Just curious, can you give me an example where this may happen? (preferably not involving doctors or Nazi’s)
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I have not studied a great deal on law or what is required of LEO’s, so I wouldn’t be able to give you a list of examples (Other countries I could give you a lot of examples). We are lucky in our society that the majority of what is required of LEO’s do not conflict with our conscience, with God. However there may come a time when it does, because man’s laws can often be wrong and when/if that time comes, if that happens, it’s important to remember that God is the highest authority and not man. The same goes for any job. especially when it comes to abortion, that’s why I brought up the medical profession as an example.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
R1ch4rd said:
And if there were bubble laws and a pro-life protester broke them would it not be an officers job to arrest them as well as any pro-choice protesters who broke said law?
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It is only moral to arrest someone if they have (or if they are reasonably suspected of having) violated a just law. The purpose of bubble laws is to restrict pro-life speech, as such they are unjust.
 
R1ch4rd said:
And if there were bubble laws and a pro-life protester broke them would it not be an officers job to arrest them as well as any pro-choice protesters who broke said law?
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none of this matters. the point isn’t about the ethics of law enforcement, its about wearing a “look at me, I’m so holy I’m ready to martyr my job” sign.

anyone who’d refuse to do his or her duty was drooling in anticipation of this moment.

on the other hand, a Catholic serious about the ethics of law enforcement would have anticipated problems like this and not taken a LEO job and defrauded the public out of a paycheck.
 
Doing the right thing when put on the spot isn’t “defrauding the public”.
 
Fairwinds said:
none of this matters. the point isn’t about the ethics of law enforcement, its about wearing a “look at me, I’m so holy I’m ready to martyr my job” sign.

anyone who’d refuse to do his or her duty was drooling in anticipation of this moment.

on the other hand, a Catholic serious about the ethics of law enforcement would have anticipated problems like this and not taken a LEO job and defrauded the public out of a paycheck.
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This is why I brought up the Doctor scenario where they are required by law to recommend an abortionist if they refuse to do the procedure themselves, this is an example of an immoral law that is in conflict with our conscience, this is an example of a “legal requirement” which should be refused regardless of what the law say’s or what is “required” of a Doctor.

Would you tell someone like me not to become a doctor?

You should always be ready to martyr your Job if it is in conflict with God, it doesn’t mean you don’t get a job, it just means that you should not be willing to do anything it requires of you when it’s in conflict with God in order to keep it.

*Matthew 16:24-27

24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26 What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done*

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
devoutchristian said:
It is only moral to arrest someone if they have (or if they are reasonably suspected of having) violated a just law. The purpose of bubble laws is to restrict pro-life speech, as such they are unjust.
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no, this isn’t restriction of speech content. this is a time, place and manner regulation of how someone can exercise the first amendment right to protest, and these laws are constitutional. look up Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act. I’ll wait. it bars assault, trespass, and vandalism but not speech content.

if you (the plural you) are going to play constitution, at least have a basic understanding of first amendment law. this is exactly why you (the collective you) shouldn’t be deciding your own scruples.
 
Fairwinds said:
no, this isn’t restriction of speech content. this is a time, place and manner regulation of how someone can exercise the first amendment right to protest, and these laws are constitutional. look up Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act. I’ll wait. it bars assault, trespass, and vandalism but not speech content.

if you (the plural you) are going to play constitution, at least have a basic understanding of first amendment law. this is exactly why you (the collective you) shouldn’t be deciding your own scruples.
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I frankly don’t give a care whether or not it’s constitutional. It’s evil.
 
devoutchristian said:
It is only moral to arrest someone if they have (or if they are reasonably suspected of having) violated a just law. The purpose of bubble laws is to restrict pro-life speech, as such they are unjust.
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No, the purpose of “bubble zone laws” are to limit how close to an abortion facility a protester can get and it’s to protect those within the zone from harm. It has nothing to do with restricting pro-life speech.
 
R1ch4rd said:
No, the purpose of “bubble zone laws” are to limit how close to an abortion facility a protester can get and it’s to protect those within the zone from harm. It has nothing to do with restricting pro-life speech.
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Ya, and I have some land in Florida to sell you. :rolleyes:
 
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