Being gay, lesbian, transgender

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I’m a selfish jerk. I didn’t choose to be. But I’m a jerk on a profound, nigh-genetic level. In fact, I’d go so far as to say I was born this way.

But that doesn’t make it okay. It doesn’t make it not my cross to bear. It doesn’t make it not my problem to tussle with daily and, with God’s grace, rise above.
 
Except that I have refrained from having sex with somebody who I was attracted to, but o wasn’t married to them and it would have been a sin.

You underestimate persons who are attracted to their own sex.
They can and do decide not to have sex with just anyone who offers.
 
The same rules apply to all - sex outside of marriage is a sin.
Supersam said:
Okay, so If god created us … why is it a sin to be gay etc
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If God created a murderer, why is it a sin to murder?
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If god made us did he not decide that we be this way
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Did God decide the murderer would be that way?
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Being gay, lesbian etc isn’t a choice it’s how your born.
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By this same logic - Being a murderer isn’t a choice, it’s how he was born.
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So why is it a sin to have a relationship with the same sex if it was god who created us all to be individual and different?
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Because God says in the Bible for a man not to lay with another man. Same for women.

Bottom line is that it involves the free will of a person’s actions. Just because you think of killing someone doesn’t mean that you can’t or shouldn’t stop yourself from acting on it. You may not be able to control who you are attracted to, but you can control your response and actions. Same with adulterers, fornicators, and any other flavor of sin.
 
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So basically if you believe in god but are gay, lesbian, transgender you will be punished? Is it not a sin to get divorced also? So you have to marry someone you love and even if you fall out of love or are unhappy or divorce because your partner mentally or physically abuses you, you must stay married because if you divorce it’s a sin? im just curious I’ve always wondered these things it’s good to hear what everyone’s opinions are 🙂
 
What did you base that statement on? I would like to see your work. Please explain if you would.
 
Supersam said:
So basically if you believe in god but are gay, lesbian, transgender you will be punished?
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No, it is not a sin to have this orientation. It is a sin to act on it.
Supersam said:
Is it not a sin to get divorced also? So you have to marry someone you love and even if you fall out of love or are unhappy or divorce because your partner mentally or physically abuses you, you must stay married because if you divorce it’s a sin?
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If you are in this situation then you can separate from your spouse and live a chaste life. But you are not free to remarry unless A)The marriage is annulled or B) The spouse dies at which point the marriage is over.
 
Supersam said:
So basically if you believe in god but are gay, lesbian, transgender you will be punished?
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Homosexual actions are grave matter, which is just one of the criteria for mortal sin. Knowledge and consent matter, too, and culpability can be lessened depending upon addictions, forces of habit. It not being mortal wouldn’t make it right, though.

Transgender is more complicated, in my opinion, but generally speaking mutilation on that level without a medical need would be considered grave matter.
Is it not a sin to get divorced also? So you have to marry someone you love and even if you fall out of love or are unhappy or divorce because your partner mentally or physically abuses you, you must stay married because if you divorce it’s a sin? im just curious I’ve always wondered these things it’s good to hear what everyone’s opinions are 🙂
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Divorce is grave matter, and marriage is permanent, but people in abusive situations should not have to stick things out. Victims can have legitimate needs to separate and obtain a civil divorce.
 
One example.

I know a woman who is pakistani muslim but she fell in live wi5ha white englishman, her entire family disowened her and she knew that would happen but married him anyway. Some of her family have tried to kill her. They weren’t gay.

This isn’t isolated, I have more stories.

As you mentioned my work, I work with people who have learning disabilities and guess what? None I have worked with are gay, either there is no interest whatsoever or usually they like the opposite gender.

Do you really think God would make people gay and create it a sin and sit back?
 
Being homosexual isn’t a sin- acting on homosexual urges is.

Being transgender (or schizophrenic, or bipolar, or depressed) isn’t a sin. Mental illness reduces culpability.
 
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Thom18 said:
Being homosexual isn’t a sin- acting on homosexual urges is.
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Depends on the definition of “homosexual” .

Merriam Webster has two.

1 : sexual attraction or the tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex : the quality or state of being homosexual. 2 : sexual activity with another of the same sex.
 
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Among the general population, 2.2+/-0.4% has SSA; among those raised by homosexual ‘couples’, 30% have SSA…that disparity strongly suggests a learning process rather than a genetic one.
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Unbiased sources for those statistics, please.
 
I would like to know why “Being gay” is ‘perverted’. Homosexuality is more common than being left-handed. It is evident throughout history, and throughout nature. The more intelligent the animal (dolphins, elephants, etc), the more prominent homosexuality is.

Is it because it is sexual but does not procreate? Then where are all the threads calling oral sex and masturbation perverse? Why is sex on the “rhythm method” OK but oral sex is not? Why is gay or lesbian sex between two consenting adults a sin?

Look - I’m actually OK with the Church being against homosexuality. It’s a battle they will eventually lose. However, I am STRONGLY against the Church imposing their twisted morality on the secular institution of marriage. As for the RELIGIOUS institution, go ahead an keep it straight. But it’s a problem that won;t be going away - because homosexuality isn’t a disease, it’s not something to be fixed. It’s part of humanity.
 
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If god made us did he not decide that we be this way.
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If a mother drank alcohol during her pregnancy and the baby was harmed because of it, was that a decision God made?
One thing that is flooding our environment is synthetic estrogens. Plastics have synthetic estrogens, women on birth control are peeing out estrogen. We have no idea what this is doing to our environment, to the mammals, to fish, etc. Probably screwing up things badly.

In this life God calls us to holiness, to love him in this life and be with him in the next. The grace is there, what ever hand is dealt to us. We can bring grace down on this world by living the Gospel, and this world is in very bad need of it. There are no regrets when we walk with God.
 
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I am STRONGLY against the Church imposing their twisted morality on the secular institution of marriage. As for the RELIGIOUS institution, go ahead an keep it straight.
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That’s interesting. Marriage has been between a man and a woman for thousands of years. It’s the homosexual community that is imposing their morality on marriage and twisting it to suit what they want.

A homosexual couple can live together as they wish. They are free to come before family and friends to announce their undieing love for each other, to exchange rings. Why do you need more than that? Why do you need the law of the land to be changed to accommodate you? You already have the freedom to pursue happiness according to your wishes.

I want to add that the church has existed for 2,000 years and has always stood up for the dignity of the human person from conception until natural death. It’s the people in the church who have fed the hungry, clothed the naked, did works of mercy through the centuries. I have 2 men living together next door, and they would say that I am a good neighbor to them. Never think that because someone is a Catholic, they must therefore hate people who are homosexual. No. We are reminded every week to love our neighbor as ourselves. We sure need a lot more of that.
 
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A homosexual couple can live together as they wish. They are free to come before family and friends to announce their undieing love for each other, to exchange rings. Why do you need more than that? Why do you need the law of the land to be changed to accommodate you? You already have the freedom to pursue happiness according to your wishes.
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Legal marriage, in the secular sense, affords many protections to the couple. One may argue these protections aren’t necessary if children arn’t involved. However, there are many legal ways for a gay couple to have children, so I would argue the protections provided by legal marriage are more than necessary.

You asked, so I answered.
 
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