Being gay, lesbian, transgender

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I didn’t feel very close to my father growing up and hated typical male activities. Never involved in sports, dad was always working, mainly around mom, aunt, and grandma. I think parents should make sure their kids are developing well socially instead of just neglecting that. Gosh, felt so outcasted from peers for so long.
But most men who were not close to their dads growing up and had dad’s who were always working and didn’t spend a lot of time with their families still turn out straight. And there are a lot of gay men who had normal, healthy relationships with their dads who still turn out gay. And as for sports, I don’t care for sports either, but there are more and more athletes who are coming out and announcing that they’re gay. So, not all gay people hate sports, either.
 
Ok? It’s not a one size fit all explanation but I still refuse to believe it’s genetic.
 
Among the general population, 2.2+/-0.4% has SSA; among those raised by homosexual ‘couples’, 30% have SSA…that disparity strongly suggests a learning process rather than a genetic one.
The best, most unbiased sources are anecdotal evidence. The Union of South Africa was the most racist entity in the world in the mid-20th century, with blacks having no rights, and ‘coloureds’ [mixed race] having little more. Geneticists did a statistical study by graphing the incidence of sickle -cell anemia among the privileged, and allegedly pure, white population, and found that 95% of them were, by definition, ‘coloured’. After this, Apartheid was on its last legs.
No one will question the fact that suicide/ attempted suicide/ suicidal thoughts are statistically more common among those with SSA. This information was used to arrive at the 2.2=/- 0.4%, and confirmed more recently in a study involving tens of thousands of teens/young adults. The most recent study, done within the past few years showed SSA at exactly 2.2%. The 30% figure is less reliable, but was achieved by the same methods.
 
What choices did a gay person’s family make that made them gay? And did the families of straight people make choices that made their children straight? If this is true, then there could be a checklist of things that parents have to do to make sure that their children turn out straight and things to avoid doing to make sure that their children don’t turn out gay.

My dad took me out to shoot guns (ie target practice) and my uncle took me hunting. You’d think that those manly activities would have made me straight, but they didn’t. And I’ve always had a great relationship with my dad, and my mother, too. I had a normal and happy childhood, so I wonder where my parents went wrong so that I turned out gay?
But most men who were not close to their dads growing up and had dad’s who were always working and didn’t spend a lot of time with their families still turn out straight. And there are a lot of gay men who had normal, healthy relationships with their dads who still turn out gay. And as for sports, I don’t care for sports either, but there are more and more athletes who are coming out and announcing that they’re gay. So, not all gay people hate sports, either.
Don’t get me started on that.

That’s probably how some people used to think in the 1950s.

“if I take Johnny out hunting or camping or encouraging him to play sports or do other ‘guy stuff’ he won’t ‘turn gay.’”

“If I let Jimmy participate in ballet or figure skating or let him get interested in musicals he might ‘turn gay.’”

In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if some people still think it.

And on sports, not only are there gay athletes, but there are gay sports bars for gay male sports fans to watch sports together.

This is 2018; you’d think we could cut this stereotyping once and for all.
 
All of your figures are unreliable. I can’t believe you were basing your statements on the information you just provided. Nothing scientific about any of it.
 
No one will question the fact that suicide/ attempted suicide/ suicidal thoughts are statistically more common among those with SSA. This information was used to arrive at the 2.2=/- 0.4%, and confirmed more recently in a study involving tens of thousands of teens/young adults. The most recent study, done within the past few years showed SSA at exactly 2.2%. The 30% figure is less reliable, but was achieved by the same methods.
Wow, I wonder why that is?

Of course it couldn’t be because they get teased and made fun of (e.g., somebody on this board a week or two ago said or implied that they were “brain damaged”), or get rejected by their families.

Could it?
 
How old are most people when they know they like someone of the opposite sex? I was about 5 or 6 when I realized I liked boys. Children with homosexual leanings know, often times from that very young age as well, what they like. I don’t know of any homosexual who “chose” to be gay at 14 or 15. And I know a lot of homosexuals.
Don’t get me started on this, either.

I knew, since I was about 5 or 6 and maybe earlier that I had opposite-sex attraction. I never “chose it.”

Here are some questions for anyone who has opposite-sex attraction and thinks gays “chose it”:
  1. Did you choose opposite-sex attraction?
  2. How old were you when you chose opposite-sex attraction?
  3. Why did you choose opposite-sex attraction (for example, were you “recruited” by someone of the opposite sex)?
  4. Then what makes you so sure gays “chose it”?
 
All of your figures are unreliable
Anecdotal evidence is the best, most reliable evidence available.
. I can’t believe you were basing your statements on the information you just provided. Nothing scientific about any of it.
Concentrate! It’ll come to you…
This is pure science in that it is repeatable, and yields the same result [truth] time and again.
 
I agree with this, you are who you are. It wasn’t your family who made you gay. Perfect example what about gay people who’s families disown them for being gay or don’t like it … it wasn’t them who made them gay. I am a lesbian but it wasn’t my mother who made me this way I found an attraction to other women my mum accepts I am gay and she is catholic but it wasn’t her who made me a lesbian.
 
I agree with this, you are who you are. It wasn’t your family who made you gay. Perfect example what about gay people who’s families disown them for being gay or don’t like it … it wasn’t them who made them gay. I am a lesbian but it wasn’t my mother who made me this way I found an attraction to other women my mum accepts I am gay and she is catholic but it wasn’t her who made me a lesbian.
You know, you make a great point here, and I think that might be part of why these parents disown them, because their children being gay insinuates in some way that the parent must have done something wrong in bringing them up.
 
Ok? It’s not a one size fit all explanation but I still refuse to believe it’s genetic.
Why are you against the possibility that being gay might be at least partly genetic?

At one time it was popular even in some scientific circles to believe that when we are all born, our minds are a “blank slates” and that almost all of our behavior is learned. B.F. Skinner was one of the people who popularized this notion and claimed that if he had control of its environment, he could raise an infant to be almost anything he wanted. But we now know that this isn’t true. For example, not everyone, no matter how they are raised, can grow up to be a great musician. Some people have perfect pitch and this is probably genetic.

More recent scientific research has shown that many more of our abilities and our behaviors are influenced by our genes than what was once believed. But in most cases, what we become as adults is the result of a complex interaction between our genes and our environment. And there’s also epigenetics to take into account. Things that happen to us growing up can cause epigenetic chemical markers to be inserted over our genomes which can permanently change how our genes are expressed by permanently turning some genes on or turning others off.

Some conditions are caused by a single gene. Huntington’s disease is one of those as well as hemophilia. I have blue eyes and that is caused by a single mutation which first occurred about 10,000 years ago. Everyone in the world with blue eyes is most likely descended from this one person.

It’s important, however, to realize that most conditions or behaviors that have a genetic component are not going to be caused by one single gene. So, it’s unlikely that we will ever discover a single “gay gene” even if there is a genetic component to homosexuality. I have ADHD which definitely has a genetic component since someone who has a parent or sibling or other close family member with ADHD is much more likely to have it as well. But no single ADHD gene has yet been discovered. One ADHD expert says that a number of genes have been found in genome wide scans that appear to be associated with ADHD, but “even these associations are small and consistent with the idea that the genetic vulnerability to ADHD is mediated by many genes of small effect.” So, whether someone becomes gay could also be determined by an interaction between “many genes of small effect” with their environment both in utero and in growing up. The genes might not make someone gay, but they could predispose someone in that direction.
 
A gay gene makes no sense whatsoever. Species would have died off a long time ago if that was the case.
 
Not necessarily… not all may carry this gene just like other things such as disabilities some reasons why People are disabled is because of genes or chromosomes
 
Well I might as well be celibate then, better not have offspring, don’t want them to go through this.
 
A gay gene makes no sense whatsoever. Species would have died off a long time ago if that was the case.
I have ADHD which is a highly heritable disorder and has been linked to a number of different genes. It tends to run in families and I probably inherited it from my father. It doesn’t seem to me to be a very beneficial thing but humans haven’t died out yet because of it.
 
Well I might as well be celibate then, better not have offspring, don’t want them to go through this.
If you inherited something that predisposes you to homosexuality and you don’t want it handed down to offspring, your straight brothers and sisters and cousins would have to be celibate, too, since even if they’re not gay, they would still carry the genes for it and could hand those down to their offspring.
 
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This is true in Catholicism and Christianity in general, as well as in Judaism. But I wonder all the same, why are we all given these animal instincts in the first place: simply as a test or trial to rise above them? It somehow doesn’t seem so to me. Even Adam and Eve must have had them since they were tempted and did not rise above them. So what is their real purpose? To rise above our own human nature, which G-d bestowed on us?
 
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Hey, we are what we are for reasons unknown to us. We all have crosses to bear and some are very heavy indeed. We talk about it but talk is easy, living with it is not so easy.

One things for sure God loves you and I must do the same. Take heart, persevere and pray for the strength to overcome your troubles.
God bless.
 
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