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I must say, I haven’t been on these forums longer than a few months, but this has got to be THE single most depressing thread I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

I am also a single, an 18 year old male passively searching for someone who catches my eye. I have not had any trouble with “alienation” at mass, not that I’m concentrating on anything other than what’s going on at the altar.

Stop feeling so sorry for yourselves and ranting on this message board. Talk to your pastor. Put yourself out there. And…oh, I don’t know…focus on your relationship with Christ and His Church? Gee, what a truly “alienating” idea!
 
… If I run into a friend after Mass, I always lie about where I’ve been. It’s a liability when you are younger…
C’mon CountrySinger! Is such a lie really worth it? Is a friend going to harm you if you tell him or her the truth? For me, such a lie is uncalled for and it’s more or less like rejecting Jesus.

[BIBLEDRB]Mt 10:26-28[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Mt 10:32-33[/BIBLEDRB]
 
I must say, I haven’t been on these forums longer than a few months, but this has got to be THE single most depressing thread I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

I am also a single, an 18 year old male passively searching for someone who catches my eye. I have not had any trouble with “alienation” at mass, not that I’m concentrating on anything other than what’s going on at the altar.

Stop feeling so sorry for yourselves and ranting on this message board. Talk to your pastor. Put yourself out there. And…oh, I don’t know…focus on your relationship with Christ and His Church? Gee, what a truly “alienating” idea!
Those values that catch the eye will eventually fade and that is when love is put to the test. Focus on personality and spirituality.
 
C’mon CountrySinger! Is such a lie really worth it? Is a friend going to harm you if you tell him or her the truth? For me, such a lie is uncalled for and it’s more or less like rejecting Jesus.
It is worth it if it saves me being made fun of. I don’t want to be seen as a stereotypical Catholic, so I downplay my faith. In all honesty, the easiest thing to do is stop going to Mass.
 
It is worth it if it saves me being made fun of. I don’t want to be seen as a stereotypical Catholic, so I downplay my faith. In all honesty, the easiest thing to do is stop going to Mass.
If you are ashamed of your faith and of going to Mass, then I don’t know what you were doing in church to begin with.
 
Those values that catch the eye will eventually fade and that is when love is put to the test. Focus on personality and spirituality.
Of course I’m not searching solely on the basis of looks, I was speaking figuratively.
 
It is worth it if it saves me being made fun of. I don’t want to be seen as a stereotypical Catholic, so I downplay my faith. In all honesty, the easiest thing to do is stop going to Mass.
Country Singer, I am mocked at my pace of work for being Catholic at some point nearly every day by my boss and one coworker. I don’t even talk about my faith at work- ever. My second day of work a coworker asked me what my religious beliefs were- since then they haven’t stopped. Last Thursday the two of them mocked me in front of my class of 20+ students for having the book “Maurice and Therese” on the front seat of my car. Yesterday I was mocked while teaching a class because of the Catholic teaching on contraception. It sucks, it’s not uncommon for me to come home from work depressed because of it… But you know what, Jesus Christ was tortured, spat on, stripped naked, made to carry a cross, and crucified so that I could be with Him forever in heaven. Do I really have a right to complain about people mocking and making fun of me? I will be a “fool for Christ” (1 Cor 4:10) and I pray every day that our Blessed Lord will someday help me to rejoice in it, as difficult as that will be. As I see it, if my faith can get under their skin that badly then I truly must be doing something right. If my faith is that visible it is only because Christ has taken me hostage- I give Him so much praise and love for it.

Please know that I’m not saying any of these things to make you feel like you are a terrible or weak person. I went though a very serious struggle with faith so I can relate. I will pray for you, there is so much hope and joy with Jesus. God bless you.
 
From life experience (so this will be likely not applicable to all), religion doesn’t have things that are desired by 20s/30s singles. When I was in college, I couldn’t wait to leave it behind (I went through RCIC at 17, and I was burned out already). You couldn’t pay me enough to go to Mass, I was having fun giving it up. Church was boring, and the rules were restrictive. Only the “losers” at my college went to Mass, the cool kids were too hungover.

Even now, my family thinks I’m stupid for being religious now, it is still viewed as something to do when a person is engaged. And religion is seen as uncool here, so I have to work extra to fight the idea that if I’m Catholic, I must be: uptight, prude, judgemental, boring, anal, and hate gay people. If I run into a friend after Mass, I always lie about where I’ve been. It’s a liability when you are younger.

That is why I loved visiting my boyfriend, we prayed together everyday, went to Mass frequently, and I didn’t have to apologize for it.
Matthew Kelly has said that the reason we lose youth is that we ask them the wrong questions the entire time they’re growing up. The life you choose comes from the questions you ask, he says, and what do we ask our kids? What do you want to be when you grow up? What do you want to major in when you go to college? What kind of career do you want, now that you’re graduated? The question is always, “What do you want…”? And so our youth, of course, dutifully go out and try to find happiness by looking for what they want. They get these things, they aren’t satisfied, and they can’t figure out why. Isn’t that what happens to us when we are guided by that question? We either don’t get what we want, and suppose that our failure is why we aren’t satisfied, or we do get what we want, and find our selves asking “Is this all?”, to the dismay of all those who don’t have it and think we should be happy. The reason for all this unhappiness, he contends, is that we ask ourselves the wrong questions.

The question that changed his life is this: “God, I have this problem. What do you think I should do?” That question was the turning point from a life that had everything he wanted, but that was not making him happy, to a life that pursued what God wanted, and that has given him joy he could not have imagined.

We have to teach parents to ask their children “What does God say to you in prayer? What does God say to you in the Scriptures read at Mass today? What does God want for you?” And to teach parents to ask their children that, we have to get everyone in the parish to ask themselves that, and in a way that they know the question is aimed not at someone else, but at each one of them, and at each person standing on either side, and the one beyond them, and the one beyond them.

If a young person reaches 18 with that question in his or her mind, then tell me, won’t that youth be attracted by a parish that is doing what the Church is supposed to be doing? By a parish that is feeding the poor, comforting the afflicted, instructing the ignorant and so on? I think this is a key! Because if we attract youth by giving them what they want, what does that profit them? We’ve just let them transfer their unnamed dissatisfaction into the parish, which will eventually fill with a collection of cliques all angling for what they want, instead of asking what God wants and how they can help each other do that. It is as bad as giving them what we think they should want, and wondering why they don’t like it. It just does not work.
 
If you are ashamed of your faith and of going to Mass, then I don’t know what you were doing in church to begin with.
Plain old guilt. My family drilled that into me. And my family isn’t even Catholic. Plus I had a prayer that was finally answered after 15 years, and it is my end of the deal. I was at the point of “God, give me a sign you want me to stay Catholic, since I am fed up!”
 
I caught on to something I missed before. Guess I was oblivious, or people are being more direct and intense.

There is a cultural gap I failed to grasp fully. Gen-X or Y or Millennial or whatever. In attempting to describe it, I’m probably going to make some generalizations. I’ll try my best to avoid stereotyping. So, here goes:
  1. An overemphasis on fun, being “cool” as defined by youth culture, and wanting guaranteed “happiness.” Being Catholic (or even identifying as Catholic) must be subordinate to these goals.
  2. A near-phobia of anything potentially “boring,” even in the context of Mass. Maybe due to a cultural norm of constant busyness, noise, and overstimulation?:bounce::whacky: These people feel uneasy with quiet and reflection. It makes them fidgety, like an addict in withdrawal.:whackadoo:
  3. An emotionally-driven sense of entitlement which – forgive me for not having a way of saying this that might be easier to take – seems less than adult, less than mature. Just saying. None of us grows up at the same rate, nor do we necessarily need to – but, to quote Dr. Phil, “How’s that working for you?” to hang onto that state of mind and those beliefs?
  4. Reacting with hurt, sadness, alienation to a situation – and the initial reaction may be quite understandable – but then building up extreme anger and feelings of being a victim – wanting perhaps to hold onto the anger? Having difficulty with forgiveness? Believing that clinging to the anger strongly enough will magically make things different?:banghead:
  5. An assumption that “If I sacrifice anything (pleasure, being entertained, meeting someone of the opposite sex, my time, etc.) to go to Mass or whatever for God, but feel really grumpy and resentful the whole time because I’ve been coerced into doing this burdensome thing, then GOD OWES ME, BIG TIME. And if He fails to deliver, I will pack up my marbles and go off and sulk, and serve Him right.:dts:
  6. Pride in how “unique” a Catholic one is, not running with the herd. Independent, free-thinking, defiant. Wishing to be loved as a sinner (which we all are), yet also wanting approval for continued sin? Becoming angry with those who disapprove of the sin, no matter how lovingly they attempt to convey it. Yet underneath, still needing/wanting to belong and not be rejected, but having difficulty with the commitments and challenges?
By the way, there is no teaching of the Church that requires Catholics to “hate gay people”.)

OK, those are things I have observed. This thread has had two themes interweaving for quite some time. Now I’ll try to address the two themes.

Theme 1 - Feelings of being marginalized as a single person – which is not uncommon. Nor is it new; it happened to me (a JFK-administration tag-end baby boomer) too. Ministry to singles does need to be addressed in many dioceses and parishes. We could learn from our Protestant brothers and sisters on this one.

I think part of the problem is that the Protestant churches define “singles” using only one category whether never-married, widowed, or divorced. Whereas the Catholic Church often has separate ministries and activities for these groups of people. The Catholic Church is being cautious not to give the wrong idea to divorced persons who don’t have annulments and aren’t currently free to marry in the Church. Not wanting to give false hope or scandal. This is indeed a tricky area.

Theme 2 – the whole “Love Me, Love My Attitude” issue – This is, not surprisingly, the way American Catholics have been viewed in the secular media for quite some time. Those fiesty, independent, defiant “cafeteria Catholics,” God love ‘em. Obedience, devotion, quietly serving God – things like that don’t make spicy headlines.

But do we really want to live down to the dismal stereotypes? Do we want to cater to the liberal media’s biases? Most importantly, can we honestly say the Church and society are better off for all the disobedience and willfulness of the past 40-plus years? Are our own lives and the lives of our families and friends the better for it?😦

I know that misguided guilt can be harmful, and especially for children – I developed scrupulosity at one time from too much of it – but then out of that suffering came healing and a much deeper relationship with God. Not that I haven’t stumbled and sinned since then – but the Sacrament of Reconciliation helps me pick up and go forward again.👍

God can take my lemons and help me turn them into lemonade, instead of standing there wondering what to do with a bunch of stinky rotten lemons!

The opposite extreme from too much guilt is permissiveness and presumption. When we presume, we assume God’s mercy just means He will overlook our sins, no big deal, no need for true conversion. This is as spiritually and emotionally dangerous as a guilt overload. But at first, it seems to offer relief and a quick fix for the inner discomfort.

Well – can you say BALANCE?

Good news! There is another model, it’s balanced, and it’s positive! The John Paul II/Benedict XVI Catholics, that’s how I think of them. The young people who go to World Youth Days. The EWTN Catholics. The New Faithful (a great book!). They are unique individuals, too, each with a story to tell. Some have undergone incredible conversions. These folks are positive, loving, faithful to the Magisterium, and above all, joyful! 🙂

Yes, joyful, even in the midst of suffering. It is real. It is possible. And a large percentage of these Catholics are not stuffy old fossils, they’re young. They are the hope for the Church’s future. And they’re loving and living life to the fullest. They’re not bored. If you don’t know them, if you don’t try to learn about and get some of what they have, you don’t know what you’re missing. Seek them out. You won’t have to look further than this forum to find quite a few.
 
I caught on to something I missed before. Guess I was oblivious, or people are being more direct and intense.

There is a cultural gap I failed to grasp fully. Gen-X or Y or Millennial or whatever. In attempting to describe it, I’m probably going to make some generalizations. I’ll try my best to avoid stereotyping. So, here goes:
  1. An emotionally-driven sense of entitlement which – forgive me for not having a way of saying this that might be easier to take – seems less than adult, less than mature. Just saying. None of us grows up at the same rate, nor do we necessarily need to – but, to quote Dr. Phil, “How’s that working for you?” to hang onto that state of mind and those beliefs?
  2. An assumption that “If I sacrifice anything (pleasure, being entertained, meeting someone of the opposite sex, my time, etc.) to go to Mass or whatever for God, but feel really grumpy and resentful the whole time because I’ve been coerced into doing this burdensome thing, then GOD OWES ME, BIG TIME. And if He fails to deliver, I will pack up my marbles and go off and sulk, and serve Him right.:dts:
  3. Pride in how “unique” a Catholic one is, not running with the herd. Independent, free-thinking, defiant. Wishing to be loved as a sinner (which we all are), yet also wanting approval for continued sin? Becoming angry with those who disapprove of the sin, no matter how lovingly they attempt to convey it. Yet underneath, still needing/wanting to belong and not be rejected, but having difficulty with the commitments and challenges?
By the way, there is no teaching of the Church that requires Catholics to “hate gay people”.)

Good news! There is another model, it’s balanced, and it’s positive! The John Paul II/Benedict XVI Catholics, that’s how I think of them. The young people who go to World Youth Days. The EWTN Catholics. The New Faithful (a great book!). They are unique individuals, too, each with a story to tell. Some have undergone incredible conversions. These folks are positive, loving, faithful to the Magisterium, and above all, joyful! 🙂

Yes, joyful, even in the midst of suffering. It is real. It is possible. And a large percentage of these Catholics are not stuffy old fossils, they’re young. They are the hope for the Church’s future. And they’re loving and living life to the fullest. They’re not bored. If you don’t know them, if you don’t try to learn about and get some of what they have, you don’t know what you’re missing. Seek them out. You won’t have to look further than this forum to find quite a few.
I haven’t met any other Catholics IRL that I haven’t wanted to either smack because they are so judgemental, or so boring (I’m sorry that the Wii is too exciting) I would rather watch paint dry.

My boyfriend is the ONE exception. 😃 He’s devout, but likes to have fun as well. We can pray the rosary together, and also drink afterwards. 😃

So if I go to Mass reluctantly, I’m bad, but if I don’t go, I’m bad as well. That makes my desicsion easier then. I don’t think I’ll get super excited to go to Mass anytime soon. God has already answered one prayer of mine, so I think He’s done with me for awhile. 🙂

I sit there in Mass and feel nothing at the best, and stupidity at the worst. It’s like that part of me is dead, and it’s not coming back. I used to be a “on-fire” Catholic, but moving up here killed that. I even though I was supposed to become a nun for a while, but having a VERY high sex drive meant that it would be impossible (life-long celibacy, kill me now!) :eek: I feel like an imposter in Mass, like I shouldn’t be there, and according to some people, I should pack up and go home. :dancing:
 
This conversation is becoming strained, to say the least. I was not intending a personal attack, rather I was making some observations that I knew at the outset were not going to win popular enthusiasm. The truth of our Catholic Faith is unchanging and universal. Our individual issues that we struggle with are unique to each one and sometimes can get in the way of our living our Faith. I attempted to tease apart the issues from the Faith.

I’ve never been in Seattle. And I don’t believe it would be the only place a person would run into the people with the attitudes I mentioned in my post. I’ve certainly encountered them many a time in my hometown, online, wherever. And they never fail to make me very sad.

At the start of my previous post I did try to make it clear that in attempting to sum things up I would have to generalize some. I was attempting to address more than one poster which is a tricky thing to attempt.:hmmm:

I care about all people, and I pray for all. I don’t claim to be better or worse than anyone else. I want us all to get to Heaven. I pray for that. May God bring us all healing from our inner woundedness and the grace to do His will.
 
But wouldn’t you agree that Catholcism attract a certain type of person? And following that logic, wouldn’t that group be the ruling class, and different type of people be outsiders? It is like High School again, lol. If the ideal Catholic woman is married, docile, pious, submissive, and never doubts her faith, then anyone who falls outside of that is going to be excluded, right?
I never believed that anything can be truly “Universal”, there will always be divisions, and one Church can’t be for everyone. My personality clashes with most Catholic women, so it better for me to find somewhere else right? If I don’t fit in, why try to fit a octagonal peg in a round hole?

I do care for people, and I think most of them have a decent chance at Heaven. I don’t think I do, because of my personality and bodily desires. If I were to get married, I would fight like heck to get my husband and children to Heaven, I would be glad to give up my shot for someone else I care about. I would try to give my children better religious background than I did when I was little. I would mold them into ideal Catholics, so they can feel a sense of belonging in their Church. So they don’t end up like me, who thinks I will turn into a pillar of fire when I step into a Church. 🙂
 
Country Singer, it appears that you have had a terrible sampling of Catholics in your life. I don’t fit either of your descriptions and the vast majority of young Catholics I know don’t either. Bring on the Wii and bring on a cold brew!

Please understand that our Lord wants you to experience JOY! Believe it or not we can even experience joy in our sufferings. I’m not even close to attaining that joy but I will someday as I will live up to my call to be a saint- we are ALL called to be saints and every single one of us can become one!

You don’t have to feel this way about your faith! Once again I am going to sound like a nut job but I believe you need some sort of deliverance. I would recommend reading the book “Unbound” by Neal Lozano. I’m reading it right now and it is helping me to gain freedom from my past. Last night I was able to go to a charismatic prayer group and the Lord opened my heart and poured so much grace into me- He has given me so much healing from my past. I praise God that you are still in His beautiful Catholic Church. There is SO much hope for you. Just remember that God is our ultimate end, we need to prepare ourselves for Him each day. Glory to God for all that He has given us, even in our trials and difficult times. God bless you Country Singer, you are a holy woman of God!
 
I don’t know whether or not I am insider or an outsider in church. I don’t even think about it. I don’t go to church to meet fun people or to be accepted. I go to church to take part in the greatest prayer and the greatest sacrifice. I know that the transubstantiation is real and that Jesus is present during the mass. That’s why I go.

The fact that I know is a gift from God.
 
But wouldn’t you agree that Catholcism attract a certain type of person? And following that logic, wouldn’t that group be the ruling class, and different type of people be outsiders? It is like High School again, lol.
Catholicism attracts families with children, divorcees, and seniors.

Singles, of course, only want to go to church to be “entertained” (I’d move to the Morocco if I had a quarter every time I heard that), and singles wanting to be fulfilled is irrelevant - feeling alienated and hurt is all strictly all about “feelings” independent of any other factors. That’s the take-home point. Got it? 🙂
 
I do care for people, and I think most of them have a decent chance at Heaven. ** I don’t think I do, because of my personality and bodily desires. ** 🙂
St. Augustine probably felt the same way at one time – “Lord, make me chaste, but not yet” ring a bell?😃

Don’t limit the power of God to work miracles, OK? Praying for you! I’m on your side even though we hold different views on some things. Hoping to meet you in Heaven. Srsly.👍
 
I haven’t met any other Catholics IRL that I haven’t wanted to either smack because they are so judgemental, or so boring (I’m sorry that the Wii is too exciting) I would rather watch paint dry.

My boyfriend is the ONE exception. 😃 He’s devout, but likes to have fun as well. We can pray the rosary together, and also drink afterwards. 😃

So if I go to Mass reluctantly, I’m bad, but if I don’t go, I’m bad as well. That makes my desicsion easier then. ** I don’t think I’ll get super excited to go to Mass anytime soon. God has already answered one prayer of mine, so I think He’s done with me for awhile. 🙂 **

I sit there in Mass and feel nothing at the best, and stupidity at the worst. It’s like that part of me is dead, and it’s not coming back. I used to be a “on-fire” Catholic, but moving up here killed that. I even though I was supposed to become a nun for a while, but having a VERY high sex drive meant that it would be impossible (life-long celibacy, kill me now!) :eek: ** I feel like an imposter in Mass, like I shouldn’t be there, and according to some people, I should pack up and go home. :dancing:**
If you don’t mind me asking, why do you pray the Rosary (and what’s the outcome)?
 
But wouldn’t you agree that Catholcism attract a certain type of person? And following that logic, wouldn’t that group be the ruling class, and different type of people be outsiders? It is like High School again, lol. If the ideal Catholic woman is married, docile, pious, submissive, and never doubts her faith, then anyone who falls outside of that is going to be excluded, right?
I never believed that anything can be truly “Universal”, there will always be divisions, and one Church can’t be for everyone. My personality clashes with most Catholic women, so it better for me to find somewhere else right? If I don’t fit in, why try to fit a octagonal peg in a round hole?

I do care for people, and I think most of them have a decent chance at Heaven. I don’t think I do, because of my personality and bodily desires. If I were to get married, I would fight like heck to get my husband and children to Heaven, I would be glad to give up my shot for someone else I care about. I would try to give my children better religious background than I did when I was little. ** I would mold them into ideal Catholics, so they can feel a sense of belonging in their Church. So they don’t end up like me, who thinks I will turn into a pillar of fire when I step into a Church. :)**
hmm, to be able to do that, you would need to become an ideal Catholic yourself or how do you intend to teach them about the Mass?
 
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