Beto O’Rourke on Third-Trimester Abortions: Should be Decision the Woman Makes

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This thread concerns third trimester abortions in the USA which are particularly gruesome. It is a Catholic presidential candidate who supports them and SS marriage.
I think it was a Catholic priest and Congressman, Father Drinan, who came up with the idea that << I am personally opposed to abortion, but I don’t want to pass laws against it>>. I think he was eventually recalled from Congress by his superiors.
I don’t know too much about this particular candidate Beto, and where he stands on other issues.
Did you mention the Quakers? They have such a wide range of beliefs. You can be Christian or Buddhist and still be a Quaker. Mainly they are pacifists but there have been Quakers in military service. I suppose that you will find Quakers on both sides of the abortion question.
 
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AlNg said:
This thread concerns third trimester abortions in the USA which are particularly gruesome.
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It is particularly gruesome. It is also relativity are.

It is difficult to get good information on the circumstances that lead women to seek later-term abortions. But there are narratives available the should give reasonable people pause, not about what the church asks from us, but about what the state should force upon women.
 
dvdjs . . . .
there are narratives available the should give reasonable people pause, not about what the church asks from us, but about what the state should force upon women.
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What does the state “force” upon women dvdjs?

If third trimester abortion is legal what do you think the state “forces” upon them?

And . . .

If third trimester abortion is illegal what do you think the state “forces” upon them?
 
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What does the state “force” upon women dvdjs?
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From the context of the conversation, moved, interestingly, by gruesomeness, we are talking about the idea that the state should outlaw third trimester abortions. If they were outlawed, then it is perfectly clear what state would force upon women.
 
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dvdjs said:
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AlNg:
This thread concerns third trimester abortions in the USA which are particularly gruesome.
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It is particularly gruesome. It is also relativity are.

It is difficult to get good information on the circumstances that lead women to seek later-term abortions. But there are narratives available the should give reasonable people pause, not about what the church asks from us, but about what the state should force upon women.
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I think you left the “r” off of rare.

Because as you say they are relatively
rare, does that make a third trimester abortion okay?
 
dvdjs . . .
If they were outlawed, then it is perfectly clear what state would force upon women.
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What does the state FORCE upon a woman?

Do you mean FORCING her to not murder her baby? Is that what the state “forces”?
 
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Oh, people, including Catholics, will vote for him anyway, claiming that we shouldn’t be “one-issue voters.”
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I wonder whether in pre-civil war US, the pro-slavery crowd continually urged the abolitionists not to be one issue voters.
 
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Because as you say they are relatively
rare, does that make a third trimester abortion okay?
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Of course not. But it does raise the question of why people are especially interested in this. especially since, as Catholics, we uphold the sanctity of life at all stages of development,
 
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7_Sorrows:
Because as you say they are relatively
rare, does that make a third trimester abortion okay?
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Of course not. But it does raise the question of why people are especially interested in this. especially since, as Catholics, we uphold the sanctity of life at all stages of development,
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Of course, abortion at all stages is wrong, but it should be obvious why people who support late term abortion are a cause for
alarm.
 
Hmmm, so O’Rourke will join Pelosi as a doctor of the church from the Church of What’s Happening Now School of Theology?🤔
 
dvdjs on the abortion issue. Especially as it pertains to third trimester murdering of babies that are in the womb (in the context of Beto favoring that as a ah hem, “viable” option.

(For those who may not know, “Beto” is the person on the left below.
Not one of the two persons on the right.
Picture from my OP.)


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dvdjs . . .
there are narratives available the should give reasonable people pause, not about what the church asks from us, but about what the state should force upon women.
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When I asked dvdjs to clarify I got this nebulous response.

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dvdjs . . .
You know. Why sk.
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Why not tell me dvdjs? You are the one making this point.

Do you mean . . . "FORCING a woman not to murder her baby? Is that what the state “forces” in your estimation?
 
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I don’t know why so many Roman Catholics are in favor of mothers killing their children and in favor of SS marriage
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a) because they are actually not Catholic; or,
b) they have been convinced of the false compassion of these two options which are allowed by our country’s civil laws.
 
Peeps, Lots and lots of Catholics voted for Pres. Obama, choosing to believe his “safe and rare” rhetoric. It was with his election that I realized that Catholics who voted for him by and large had come to believe that nothing can be done about the legality of abortion in the U.S. so it was not truly a factor in how they cast their ballot.
 
dvdjs said:
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7_Sorrows:
it should be obvious
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It is not obvious.
Do you minimize the sanctity of life at earlier stages of gestation?
Do you ignore the problems that are only understood at later stages of gestation?
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What is so difficult to understand about
my post where I clarify abortion at any stage is wrong. Nowhere am I minimizing
the sanctity of life at earlier stages of gestation.
Evidently, Beto supports abortion at any
stage up until the woman is dilating because he sees it as the woman’s decision.
 
I think one other reason Catholics are pro-choice and pro SS marriage is that they are afraid of the rejection they will face if they take the “Catholic” stand on these issues.

They want to fit in with their group, especially if it’s a work group.

I can’t say I blame them for being afraid of losing their job, especially if they have a family to support, or college debts to pay off. But…supporting a sinful practice (even though they themselves would NEVER commit these acts, oh, no!)–it’s not worth keeping that job. There are lots of jobs.

Another reason why Catholics and other Christians might support sinful practices is if they work in the entertainment industry, like my daughter, who often calls her “work” a “mission field.” There are exceptions, often surprising exceptions, in the entertainment field–people like Jack Nicholson who are outspokenly pro-life. But usually those exceptions have earned such a stellar reputation in their industry that they can get away with holding a “conservative” view. The stage manager or make up technician or gaffer doesn’t have that luxury.

OTOH, I don’t know of anyone in the entertainment field who speaks out in public against same-sex marriage and same-sex relationships. Even my daughter, who is Catholic, supports her many MANY friends in the industry who are homosexual, transgender, etc. The number of homosexuals who are “out” is huge in entertainment. In her 20 years of working in this industry, my daughter has met very few “straignt” men–almost every man she knows and works with is gay and proud.

I think it’s easier to be pro-life in the entertainment field rather than anti-same-sex bedroom activities. Even Christians have a hard time believing that homosexuals must live celibately their entire lives, even though it kind of looks like homosexuality is a genetic trait (not proven, but not disproven).
 
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dvdjs said:
From the context of the conversation, moved, interestingly, by gruesomeness, we are talking about the idea that the state should outlaw third trimester abortions. If they were outlawed, then it is perfectly clear what state would force upon women.
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I am sorry, but I am unclear what exactly the state is forcing upon women.
Can you please clarify?
 
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