"Bible Christian" Who does this better fit: Protestants or Catholics?

[Isa_Almisry]

Read the JW version of John 1:1
for example! They changed translations there along with 3 or 4 other areas to twist it into there theology.

Actually, what I love about the JWs is you can prove Orthodox dogma in spite of the twisting. I have a copy I’ve marked up.

For instance, they deny the immortality of the soul, that once you die you cease to exist, and yet in their translation of St. Luke (I think, I don’t have it on hand right now) of the Transfiguration, they say about Moses that “it actually was Moses” (i.e. they affirm it was Moses, instead of denying it, like they do by putting quotation marks around Samuel in the episode of Saul and the witch of Endor). Problem? Look at their translation of Deuteronomy. Moses is dead, which would mean he ceased to exist according to their “theology.” How can it “actuall” be a non-existent person?

But back to you Uzzah.

Why are you upset about this? How do know that us corrupt Orthodox and Catholics who copied the Bible all the way up to 1517 didn’t also twist the wording to suit our theology? The muslims say as much. Why do you trust our word over theirs?

 

[Isa_Almisry]

You really don’t get the born again indwelling do you?

I do, and did. It appears you don’t, or didn’t.

Where in the world did I ever say such a thing?

Here, among other places Uzza.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=2617262#post2617262

[Each and every born-again Christian is a temple for our living God, how is that not a body??**

It is a body, I just don’t know whose. Acts 19:15. Matthew 12:30.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

You really don’t get the born again indwelling do you?

Where in the world did I ever say such a thing?
Each and every born-again Christian is a temple for our living God, how is that not a body??

I notice you like to write in red. Any intention to curry resemblance to Someone Whose words are often printed in red?

 

[myfavoritmartin]

Here, among other places Uzza.

My name is Martin mfm or Simon.
Your inuendo is a very unChristian gesture!

 

[bankerdavid]

Protestants are better trained than Catholics as children. You never hear of Catholics having Sunday school, do you?
Not saying that Catholics aren’t exposed to scripture, just that Protestants are more immersed in it at an earlier age.
Still though, unless you have faith in God and believe what He taught throughout the ages, no amount of bible study can make you a “Bible Christian”.

Most Catholic children attend catechism at least weekly from the time of First Communion until the time they are confirmed. I’ve been to ‘Sunday School’ as a protestant child, and I’ve been teaching catechism, and they’re essentially the same-teaching the doctrine of that faith(Catholics teaching the Teachings of Christ himself).

When a Catholic says (when they do say it!) that they believe what God taught through the ages, they also have what Jesus taught, and what the Church has taught for 2000 years.

 

[richwmiller]

If St. Paul had no compunction about rebuking St. Peter on the dogma of the Faith…

…if you’re worried about it, stop preaching another Gospel from the one we handed down from the Lord.

What body of believers, pray tell, is that?

Paul didn’t rebuke Peter on dogma.
Peter and Paul agreed on dogma.
Paul rebuked Peter for his inconsistent actions.
Sometimes the bishops do not set a good example.

 

[richwmiller]

donny you can no more prove the primacy of Peter than i can Paul!

People have tried to prove that Paul was the prime apostle [without success of course]
Peter’s primacy is easily shown. There is a thread somewhere where they are struggling but there is a vast amount of fine proof about the divine primacy.
name changed in itself indicates a new role for him
name changed to Rock (Kepha/Cephas/Peter) , the foundation, the unmovable
Keys stewardship second only to the king.
feed/tend care for the others/ correct the others
Peter regularly listed first
Peter speaking for the group on Pentecost.
Peter making decisions regarding Cornelius without consulting anyone.
Everyone silenced because Peter spoke.

 

[richwmiller]

Not in my expereince. In AWANA the kids not only learn scripture but in fact it is most definately **not **out of context. It is very structured so that they learn to support Baptist (Protestant) doctrines which from their point are biblical.

Don’t feel bad. I think your lack of knowledge about what is going on is typical but it is something Roman Catholics should come to terms with. Baptist know what they believe and why from the Bible. When they meet joe average Catholic who has no clue how many books are in the bible or even how to sytematically support RCC doctrine they end up converting joe Catholic. You need to make RCC children and adults as strong in their knowledge based. Denial will not help you do it only delude you into a false sense of security and superiority.

Rev North

Unfortunately I agree. Many Catholics are not versed in defending the faith and I fear it has gotten worse since Vatican II because the council was/is totally misunderstood. As Benedict had to remind everyone there is no break with the past but a continuity.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

My name is Martin mfm or Simon.
Your inuendo is a very unChristian gesture!

You dare to stretch forth thy hand against the holy of holies, and mock those whom the Lord had chosen, that they didn’t commit your impiety.

I got’s to calls 'em as I sees 'em.

 

[mrs_abbott]

You dare to stretch forth thy hand against the holy of holies, and mock those whom the Lord had chosen, that they didn’t commit your impiety.

I got’s to calls 'em as I sees 'em.

Name calling accomplishes nothing and doesn’t help “validate” any point that you try and make.
Speak the facts and leave personal opinions out of it.
You haven’t once told us what your faith believes in relation to the topic discussed. I’m interested to hear your side of the story without all the name-calling.

 

[Palladio]

My name is Martin mfm or Simon.
Your inuendo is a very unChristian gesture!

What you pretend not to understand is that, having implied Catholics are cannibals, having spent days scribbling posts as convincing to Catholics as Muslims or atheists are, having been told and shown time after time that you are wrong, you continue to raise a fuss, generating heat, but no light: shameless and shamefull.

Whatever it is you are filled with–besides the arrogance and ignorance I have already mentioned–it is not the Holy Spirit.

I am praying for you, but I am also ready to call your empty and demeaning posts to the attention the moderators, because you your Catholic bashing has got to stop.

God bless.

 

[St_Violet]

what I find really funny about Protestants is that when they read the bible with the guidance of sola scriptura, they think they are unlocking hidden secrets from the bible the Catholic Church put together and have been using.

well when I said this meant like …for instance, there are people that believe that Mary didn’t remain a virgin because of the passage in Matthew where someone tells Jesus his brothers and mother are waiting for him as if the Catholic Church wasn’t aware of this passage or was trying to hide it from the public

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Whatever it is you are filled with–besides the arrogance and ignorance I have already mentioned–it is not the Holy Spirit.

Hi,
I understand that you are mad at MFM but I would appreciate you not calling into question his salvation. I feel that telling someone they are not filled with the HS is very judgemental and down right wrong and unloving. No one should do that EVER!! MFM is my friend and my brother in Christ and it hurts me deeply to see all of you go after him the way you are. As a matter of fact it hurts me deeply when I see anyone being treated so disrespectfully.

I am praying for you, but I am also ready to call your empty and demeaning posts to the attention the moderators, because you your Catholic bashing has got to stop.

I will go back and look but I have not seen the bashing you are talking about He is telling you what he believes. If you dont believe him that is fine but that doesnt mean he is bashing the catholic church.

May I gently remind you that you are not being charitable either. So please if you are going to notify the moderators, make sure you take the log out of your own eye before you report anyone.
Thank you

Peace

OK P.S. I went back through the thread and looked over MFM posts and I didnt see any bashing at all. What I saw is him defending himself and questioning and answering. Trust me I am sensitive to catholic bashing(even though Im not catholic) I dont like it any more then you guys do. I have seen it on here and MFM posts do not fit the description.

 

[richwmiller]

isn’t it known that when Ignatius was referring the Christian Church as a Catholic Church, they saw that he was writing the letter as if referring to the Christian Church as Catholic was common?. I read this somewhere i forgot it was awhile ago.

The Christian church was the Catholic church. The church was first called Christian in Antioch and was first called Catholic in Antioch.
It is/was one and the same.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Name calling accomplishes nothing and doesn’t help “validate” any point that you try and make.
Speak the facts and leave personal opinions out of it.
You haven’t once told us what your faith believes in relation to the topic discussed. I’m interested to hear your side of the story without all the name-calling.

I’d be interested in Martin answering the question. I get testy with those who mock the Lord.

I will however apologize to you and others like you, because if I remember correctly, your posts have been respectful, though you differ in your opinions. You’ve just been caught in the crossfire.

I’ve seen Martin on several threads, and he doesn’t seem very good in taking his own medicine.

Actually on a post some time back I did answer the OP: the Orthodox, because we have added nothing nor subtracted anything from the Faith as the Apostles handed it on.

Christ said the gates of hell will not prevail against her, and He is with us always all the days until the consumation of the Age. We have witnesses from all the days from when he said that till this day that each of these days there was a Church with which we would commune. Neither Latins nor Protestants can say that.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

The Christian church was the Catholic church. The church was first called Christian in Antioch and was first called Catholic in Antioch.
It is/was one and the same.

Actually it’s still called Catholic and Christian in Antioch. I’ve been there and meet the successor of St. Peter and St. Ignatius (whose letters first contain the word), Patriarch Ignatius IX.

 

[Palladio]

ALLFORHIM:

Since you are not Catholic, you would not be in a position to judge Catholic bashing; as for the rest: I stand by every word of what I wrote.

 

[Sixtus]

Both assuming they are both practising.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

well when I said this meant like …for instance, there are people that believe that Mary didn’t remain a virgin because of the passage in Matthew where someone tells Jesus his brothers and mother are waiting for him as if the Catholic Church wasn’t aware of this passage or was trying to hide it from the public

I understand the point, however what you must understand that the Catholic Church, if the reference to sisters and brothers of the Lord were a problem, they could have deleted it and voila, no problem.

However, we have a continous witness from the second century on that they were not children of the Virgin. Actually the accounts of the second century say these brothers etc. were the children of Joseph who was a widower. Two St. James and St.Jude wrote the epistles of those names, and St. James was the same James in acts who presided over the church of Jerusalem of whose successor is the patriarch of Jerusalem. Only later did St. Jerome conclude that they were cousins. But whoever they were, with two exceptions, all did not believe them to be Mary’s sons.

The two exceptions were Tertullian c. 200, who said that Mary had children because the gnostics said Jesus really didn’t take flesh (yes, its a convoluted argument) and Helvidias c. 400 who denounced monasticism and so said evern the Virgin was married, as an argument against monasticism. In other words the exceptions were late, and argued for different purposes than history.

Thats’ why we have Tradition, history. If the Bible is issolated from its context, it is misunderstood. Traditions is the context of each generation passing on the Bible to the next, from the generation of the Apostles to the generation when He returns.

 

[Sixtus]

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Thats’ why we have Tradition, history. If the Bible is issolated from its context, it is misunderstood. Traditions is the context of each generation passing on the Bible to the next, from the generation of the Apostles to the generation when He returns.

AMEN