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[Psalm45_9]

Pax Vobiscvm!

Here’s your answers to #45:

YAQUBOS:

Did those humans DECIDE what to write, or did the Holy Spirit inspire them what to write.?

The Holy Spirit working through humans decided what to write.

YAQUBOS:

What is the difference between a poetic inspiration and the Inspiration of the Word of God?

One was inspired by the Holy Spirit and one was not, only the Church can determine which is which, in light of Matthew 18:15-18.

YAQUBOS:

BEFORE the Inspiration was written down, did anyone know anything about what God wants us to know about Him?

Before anyone wrote anything, God spoke to him or her. Before there was Moses, there was Adam and so all events from the fall until Moses were the oral traditions of the Jews. St. Jude records things about Moses that are not found in the Torah, that is the tradition of the Jews as recorded in the non-canonical Assumption of Moses. Jesus, who is God, spoke to his apostles, telling them to preach his gospel to all. They did this, both orally and through writing. Whether the Gospel is written or spoken, it is still The Word of God.

YAQUBOS:

Is there not any other God breathed word in this world? If yes, then why is it not added to this Word of God and called WORD OF GOD? Did those humans know anything about what God wants BEFORE God inspired it?

Did the early Christians know about Christ before there was Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? Actually there are 12 gospels: Peter, James, John, James, Jude, Simon, Bartholomew, Matthias, Thomas, Philip, Matthew, and Andrew. 16 if you count: Paul, Mark, Luke, and Barnabas. There are two Epistles of St. Paul mentioned in scripture, which are not part of the New Testament, again, only the church can determine the canon. Why wasn’t everything written? Because as St. John put it, there was too much to possibly write.

 

[Katholikos]

Yaqubos wrote:

Yes. SCRIPTURE EXPLAINS SCRIPTURE. This means God explains what He said.

But before we examine this, let’s understand what the Word of God is.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

That Scripture interprets itself is a Protestant fallacy. It is one of the elements of Sola Scriptura. If this were true, then there would be agreement among Bible Only believers – but there is no agreement. It wasn’t working when Calvin disagreed with Luther, and when Zwingli disagreed with both of of them. It has never worked, and it isn’t working today. By using Scripture alone, no one can be sure which of the competing and conflicting Protestant groups is right, if any. Scripture Alone had led to thousands of disagreements and doctrinal fights.

What good is an infallible book without an infallible teacher?

The Word of God is what the Catholic Church, founded by Christ for the salvation of the world, says it is. It is Jesus, the Logos of God; it is the written Word of God, the Scriptures; and it is Sacred Apostolic Tradition transmitted from the Apostles through the Church down through the centuries.

JMJ Jay

 

[Luke1_48]

Word! I get a bad rap from the Lutherans here, they view Luther as a St. Heck, after doing some research on him, I found out he was far from being holy. Calvin had an interesting history too. I even heard that Henry VIII died from syphilus!!! Youch!

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!
Psalm45:9:

1. Jesus is God. 2 The Word of God is also Apostolic Tradition. 3. Christ told the bishops (the apostles) that whatever they bind shall be bound in Heaven. The Bishops bound the canon shut. God is still working in the church, doctrines are still being proclaimed in light of Apostolic Tradition; which is the Word of God. To this day Divine Revelation has not ceased.

Who said that Jesus is God?

Who said that the Apostolic Tradition is also Word of God?

Who said that Christ told anyone that he shall bind etc?

By the way: when you say " To this day Divine Revelation has not ceased", you are being Montanist. And Montanism is a heresy…

And also: if the Revelation has not ceased, then why is it not being written in the Bible. We can have an eternally incomplete Bible, can’t we?…

The whole problem is in understanding what the WORD OF GOD is…
Psalm45:9:

The Word of God is God’s revelation to humanity. Which is the written testimony of the Prophets and Apostles, as well as the oral teachings and testimonies of the Apostles (who were taught by Christ himself) a.k.a. Apostolic Tradition.

Did any human know anything about God BEFORE this revelation of God?
Psalm45:9:

There is no list of what is scripture within the Bible

In fact there is, but only those who know what the Word of God is can see it.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!
Psalm45:9:

Remember the warning of St. Peter in light of Christ’s teachings:

“First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” (2 Peter 1:20-21)

(The Holy Spirit works in the church, through Apostolic Tradition of the Bishops, not a lay man’s personal interpretation)

Why do I have to remember all this if this is not the Word of God. So we must first understand what the Word of God is.

For instance, who said that apostles even existed?…
Psalm45:9:

I know that what I am quoting is scripture because the Bishops (the spiritual descendents of the apostles) have determined and bound the canon, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is only the Bishops, whose teachings come from the apostles; know what is scripture and how to interpret it.

As I was asking before: how do you know there is Holy Spirit?

How do you know that apostles existed?

Who said that apostles, if they existed, have any authority as this?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

1.

* Peace be with you!

1. How this Inspiration was written down?*

steve b:

By the inspiration of the HS through human writers

YAQUBOS:

1. Did those humans DECIDE what to write, or did the Holy Spirit inspire them what to write.?
2. What is the difference between a poetic inspiration and the Inspiration of the Word of God?

Psalm45:9:

The Holy Spirit working through humans decided what to write.

Psalm45:9:

One was inspired by the Holy Spirit and one was not, only the Church can determine which is which, in light of Matthew 18:15-18.

Psalm45:9, do you notice that you gave the same answer to " Did those humans DECIDE what to write, or did the Holy Spirit inspire them what to write.?" as steve b gave to the first question, while I was asking a question to clarify that first question’s answer. I understand that you say the Holy Spirit working through humans decided what to write, but did those humans decide what God wants to say?

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Comment on your second answer:* “** One was inspired by the Holy Spirit and one was not, only the Church can determine which is which, in light of Matthew 18:15-18**”* -

What is the Church? And who says that Matthew 18:15-18 is Word of God?

Is this not what you were asking me all the time? Well, here is the topic thread where we can talk about this… But first, let’s see what the Word of God is.

By the way: who inspires a poet?

To be continued, if the Lord wills.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Continuing by His Grace.

**2. **

YAQUBOS:

1. Why was it written down?

steve b:

So all generations can read, know, love and learn what God wants us to know about Him

YAQUBOS:

BEFORE the Inspiration was written down, did anyone know anything about what God wants us to know about Him?

Psalm45:9:

Before anyone wrote anything, God spoke to him or her. Before there was Moses, there was Adam and so all events from the fall until Moses were the oral traditions of the Jews. St. Jude records things about Moses that are not found in the Torah, that is the tradition of the Jews as recorded in the non-canonical Assumption of Moses. Jesus, who is God, spoke to his apostles, telling them to preach his gospel to all. They did this, both orally and through writing. Whether the Gospel is written or spoken, it is still The Word of God.

1. Was there Judaism before Moses?
2. Was there a Christian Church before the Christ and the apostles preached the Gospel?

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3.

YAQUBOS:

1. Why is it called Word of God?

steve b:

Because it is God breathed through the HS.

YAQUBOS:

Is there not any other God breathed word in this world? If yes, then why is it not added to this Word of God and called WORD OF GOD?

We continue in the next reply by His Grace.

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Thank the Lord for everything. We continue by His Grace.

4.

YAQUBOS:

1. Who is the author of the Word of God?

steve b:

God’s inspiration through human writers

YAQUBOS:

Did those humans know anything about what God wants BEFORE God inspired it?

Psalm45:9:

Did the early Christians know about Christ before there was Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? Actually there are 12 gospels: Peter, James, John, James, Jude, Simon, Bartholomew, Matthias, Thomas, Philip, Matthew, and Andrew. 16 if you count: Paul, Mark, Luke, and Barnabas. There are two Epistles of St. Paul mentioned in scripture, which are not part of the New Testament, again, only the church can determine the canon. Why wasn’t everything written? Because as St. John put it, there was too much to possibly write.

Did the early Christians know the Christ before the Christ came and TOLD them anything and before He did anything?

All those 12 or 16 “gospels” are written after the time of the apostles… I will not say more before we understand what the Word of God is.

Did anyone tell you that there are those two Epistles of St. Paul that are WORD OF GOD?

Again: What is the Church?

You say: “Why wasn’t everything written? Because as St. John put it, there was too much to possibly write”

John says this about what Jesus did. But, as I asked you before, is the Word of God JUST what Jesus said and did? We know that God and the Christ are still working until today. Then why are we not having epistles added to the Bible saying IN BRIEF ( I don’t ask for a complete account ) what God is doing in these days? Can’t we have some books today talking about some of the works that God is doing today, and then have a tradition who will explain it?

If everything cannot be written once for all, can’t the Church write them gradually all along history, and add them to the Bible? And, as you say the inspiration is still continuing, can’t we have new epistles added to the Bible, written by the Bishop of Rome for example?

In Love,

Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

Katholikos:

That Scripture interprets itself is a Protestant fallacy.

ONLY God explaining His Word is a divine Truth.

Katholikos:

If this were true, then there would be agreement among Bible Only believers

Can you please explain on what logic you build this?

There is no agreement between many Christian denominations today. Does this mean that the Church is not a truth?

Katholicos:

The Word of God is what the Catholic Church, founded by Christ for the salvation of the world, says it is.

Was there Word of God before the Roman Church existed? Were there people who believed the Word of God BEFORE that Church existed?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!
Luke1:48:

Word! I get a bad rap from the Lutherans here, they view Luther as a St. Heck, after doing some research on him, I found out he was far from being holy. Calvin had an interesting history too. I even heard that Henry VIII died from syphilus!!! Youch!

It seems that I am not very attentive, so I didn’t notice that there are Lutherans here, or Calvinists. Can you please tell me who is Lutheran here?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[Psalm45_9]

YAQUBOS:

Who said that Jesus is God?[/UUOTE]

That was formally declared by the Bishops at the Council of Nicea

YAQUBOS:

Who said that the Apostolic Tradition is also Word of God?

Scenario: Christ turns to his apostles and says, “Preach my gospel to all nations” And so the Apostles did, by word of mouth. The Gospel was preached orally. The Gospel is the Word of God, and so Apostolic Tradition is also The Word of God. It’s common sense.

YAQUBOS:

Who said that Christ told anyone that he shall bind etc?

Christ told his apostles that, his apostles told their disciplies, it’s called faith.

By the way: when you say " To this day Divine Revelation has not ceased", you are being Montanist. And Montanism is a heresy…

Where does the Bible say that all Revelation ended with the Apostles? P.S. Sola Scriptura is a hersey.

Christ told his apostles whatever they bind shall be bound. The Church determined the canon and bound it shut. We do not have an incomplete Bible, because we have the Church (Apostolic Tradition; which is also the Word of God) today still proclaiming the faith today and declaring doctrines in light of Apostolic Tradition.

Exactly, you do not understand it.

YAQUBOS:

Did any human know anything about God BEFORE this revelation of God?

In fact there is, but only those who know what the Word of God is can see it.

I’m sorry, the early Christians were taught about Christ by the Oral Teachings of the Apostles. Sola Scriptura was compleatly foreign to them. Just like how Moses preached God’s covenant to his people before he wrote it down. The Oral Word of God always preceeds The Written Word of God.

 

[Psalm45_9]

YAQUBOS:

1. Was there Judaism before Moses?

Lol! Changing the subject!!! You got me there. There was Israel before Moses, it is the tradition of the decendents of Israel.
YAQUBOS/:

1. Was there a Christian Church before the Christ and the apostles preached the Gospel?

No there was not, how is this related to the subject? Was there a new testament when the apostles **preached **the Gospel?

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

YAQUBOS:

Who said that Jesus is God?

Psalm45:9:

That was formally declared by the Bishops at the Council of Nicea

Who told those Bishops that Jesus is God?

YAQUBOS:

Who said that the Apostolic Tradition is also Word of God?

Psalm45:9:

Scenario: Christ turns to his apostles and says, “Preach my gospel to all nations” And so the Apostles did, by word of mouth. The Gospel was preached orally. The Gospel is the Word of God, and so Apostolic Tradition is also The Word of God. It’s common sense.

Who says that Jesus in fact turned and told the apostles those things?

YAQUBOS:

Who said that Christ told anyone that he shall bind etc?

Psalm45:9:

Christ told his apostles that, his apostles told their disciplies, it’s called faith.

Why don’t you take the right way and believe what God says, instead of believing what some humans around you tell you about what the apostles said?

How do you know that what some people are telling you today are the words of the apostles?

How do you know that those apostles are in fact apostles?

If it’s called faith, it must be built on what God says, and not on what humans say.

YAQUBOS:

By the way: when you say " To this day Divine Revelation has not ceased", you are being Montanist. And Montanism is a heresy…

Psalm45:9:

Where does the Bible say that all Revelation ended with the Apostles? P.S. Sola Scriptura is a hersey.

Are you admitting here that you are a montanist?
Psalm45:9:

Christ told his apostles whatever they bind shall be bound. The Church determined the canon and bound it shut. We do not have an incomplete Bible, because we have the Church (Apostolic Tradition; which is also the Word of God) today still proclaiming the faith today and declaring doctrines in light of Apostolic Tradition.

Oh, friend, who said that Jesus told anyone anything?
Psalm45:9:

I’m sorry, the early Christians were taught about Christ by the Oral Teachings of the Apostles. Sola Scriptura was compleatly foreign to them. Just like how Moses preached God’s covenant to his people before he wrote it down. The Oral Word of God always preceeds The Written Word of God.

Did anyone know about Jesus before Jesus came and told them?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[Psalm45_9]

Pax Vobiscvm!

YAQUBOS:

Did the early Christians know the Christ before the Christ came and TOLD them anything and before He did anything?

The early christians did not know Jesus was the Christ until he preached to them. The prophets saw his coming, however they preached God’s prophecy before they wrote it down. The Oral Word always preceeds the Written Word.

YAQUBOS:

All those 12 or 16 “gospels” are written after the time of the apostles… I will not say more before we understand what the Word of God is.

Why does it need to be written down, whether it is written or not, it is still the Gospel, The Word of God.

Did anyone tell you that there are those two Epistles of St. Paul that are WORD OF GOD?

The Church Fathers did, they determined the canon.

YAQUBOS:

Again: What is the Church?

1. 
   *]A building for public, especially Christian worship.
   *]often Church
   1. • **The company of all Christians regarded as a spiritual body. **
      • A specified Christian denomination: the Presbyterian Church.
        *]A congregation.
        *]Public divine worship in a church; a religious service: goes to church at Christmas and Easter.
        *]The clerical profession; clergy.
        *]Ecclesiastical power as distinguished from the secular: the separation of church and state.
        
        dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Church
        
        
        YAQUBOS:
        

        You say: “Why wasn’t everything written? Because as St. John put it, there was too much to possibly write”
        
        John says this about what Jesus did. But, as I asked you before, is the Word of God JUST what Jesus said and did? We know that God and the Christ are still working until today. Then why are we not having epistles added to the Bible saying IN BRIEF ( I don’t ask for a complete account ) what God is doing in these days? Can’t we have some books today talking about some of the works that God is doing today, and then have a tradition who will explain it?

        We can not have books added to the Bible because the Church his bound the canon shut.
        
        
        YAQUBOS:
        

        If everything cannot be written once for all, can’t the Church write them gradually all along history, and add them to the Bible? And, as you say the inspiration is still continuing, can’t we have new epistles added to the Bible, written by the Bishop of Rome for example?

        It did, Christ died around 34 AD and it is believed that St. John wrote Revelation around 90AD. That’s a gradual process of over 50 years. Hello! The canon was bound shut by the Bishops, this is the third time I told you that
        
        Thank you Lord for everything! You have sent me YAQUBOS so I can know how you felt before the Sanhedrin! Thank you Lord, I love you!

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

YAQUBOS:

2. Was there a Christian Church before the Christ and the apostles preached the Gospel?

Psalm45:9:

No there was not, how is this related to the subject? Was there a new testament when the apostles **preached **the Gospel?

In fact, this is the HEART of the subject!

If the Church didn’t exist before Christ and the apostles preached the Gospel, then who decided if what they are saying is WORD OF GOD?

And by the way: the Word of God is Word of God BEFORE it is called anything ( New Testament or whatever ).

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[Psalm45_9]

YAQUBOS:

Who told those Bishops that Jesus is God?

The Holy Spirit, that guides us to all truth. Do you not understand the Holy Trinity?

Who says that Jesus in fact turned and told the apostles those things?
That is what the apostle told the early christians, as the Church fathers state.

YAQUBOS:

Why don’t you take the right way and believe what God says, instead of believing what some humans around you tell you about what the apostles said?

Because God told his apostles what to say, the Holy Spirit told them what to say. Wheter the Gospel is written or Spoken, it is still the Word of God.

YAQUBOS:

How do you know that what some people are telling you today are the words of the apostles?

Because in light of Apostolic Tradition, which is recoreded by the Church Fathers, The Church is still preaching the same message that Christ did.

How do you know that those apostles are in fact apostles?
The Holy Spirit told me, it’s called faith.

YAQUBOS:

If it’s called faith, it must be built on what God says, and not on what humans say.

Yes, the word of God, whether it is Written or Spoken, it is still the Word of God.

YAQUBOS:

Are you admitting here that you are a montanist?

Only the church can determine a heresy, take it to the church.
YAQOBOS:

Oh, friend, who said that Jesus told anyone anything?

The Apostles and the Church Fathers, read the letters of the Church fathers sometime.

Did anyone know about Jesus before Jesus came and told them?

No, they only knew the Christ was coming, they did not know it was Jesus, until the Christ himself or his Apostles preached the Gospel
Thank you Jesus for making me a martyr!

 

[Psalm45_9]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

In fact, this is the HEART of the subject!

If the Church didn’t exist before Christ and the apostles preached the Gospel, then who decided if what they are saying is WORD OF GOD?

And by the way: the Word of God is Word of God BEFORE it is called anything ( New Testament or whatever ).

The Church did! Through various councils starting with the Council of Rome. Even Jewish sources state the canon was not determined at the time of Christ. The Sadducees and the Samaritans only used the Torah. The Samaritans still only use to Torah to this day. The Pharisees used the canon that the European Jews use today. The Alexandrian Jews used the bigger LXX canon, the Ethiopian Jews still use it today.

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!
Psalm45:9:

The early christians did not know Jesus was the Christ until he preached to them. The prophets saw his coming, however they preached God’s prophecy before they wrote it down. The Oral Word always preceeds the Written Word.

So there was no Church to decide if Jesus is preaching the WORD OF GOD!
Psalm45:9:

Why does it need to be written down, whether it is written or not, it is still the Gospel, The Word of God.

How do you know that it is the Word of God?
Psalm45:9:

Did anyone tell you that there are those two Epistles of St. Paul that are WORD OF GOD?

The Church Fathers did, they determined the canon.

How did the Church Father know?

YAQUBOS:

Again: What is the Church?

Psalm45:9:

A building for public, especially Christian worship.

1. 
   *]often Church
   1. 
      *]
      • **The company of all Christians regarded as a spiritual body. **
      • A specified Christian denomination: the Presbyterian Church.
        *]A congregation.
        *]Public divine worship in a church; a religious service: goes to church at Christmas and Easter.
        *]The clerical profession; clergy.
        *]Ecclesiastical power as distinguished from the secular: the separation of church and state.
        
        dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Church

1. 1. 
      Who said that this definition is the definition of God for the Church?
      Psalm45:9:
      

      We can not have books added to the Bible because the Church his bound the canon shut.

      Who told the Church that only these are the Word of God?
      
      In Love,
      Yaqubos†

 

[Psalm45_9]

YAQUBOS:

Why do I have to remember all this if this is not the Word of God. So we must first understand what the Word of God is.

For instance, who said that apostles even existed?…

The Church Fathers

YAQUBOS:

As I was asking before: how do you know there is Holy Spirit?

Through Apostolic Tradition, the Church Fathers stated what is the Holy Spirit.

YAQUBOS:

How do you know that apostles existed?

Who said that apostles, if they existed, have any authority as this?

The Church Fathers attested that the apostles existed, they were taught by the apostles. The Church Fathers give testiomony that the apostles have the authority, there was no New Testament in the Apostolic Age.

 

[Psalm45_9]

YAQUBOS:

So there was no Church to decide if Jesus is preaching the WORD OF GOD!

How do you know that it is the Word of God?

No, you are wrong, when Christ called his disciples there was a church. There was no New Testament durring the Apostolic Age, how do you know what belongs in the New Testament?

YAQUBOS:

How did the Church Father know?

The Apostles told them.

YAQUBOS:

Who said that this definition is the definition of God for the Church?

The dictionary.

YAQUBOS:

Who told the Church that only these are the Word of God?

The Holy Spirit, which guides us to all truth. As the Church Fathers have stated, who were taught by the Apostles, who were taught by Christ himself.