Biden picks Kamala Harris as running mate

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According to this article, 73% of women getting abortions said one reason was that they couldn’t afford a baby right now.
Not evidence that a “strong social safety net” (whatever that is) would have changed a single mind. Where’s the poll on that?

And what are “financial reasons”? Can’t have a new car? Can’t take a vacation? What? Having babies and raising them costs money. I’m sure it’s something women worry about who do not kill their children.
I see. So, it isn’t a question of reducing the number of abortions, but rather to say that, we, as a society, think this is wrong. I’d rather reduce the number of abortions personally.
So would I. So would every prolife person. But corrupting the society will not achieve that. The example given by supporting “abortion rights” is terrible. People who promote it should consider Jesus’ own words in Luke 17:2.
Many people feel that preventing climate change is a proportional reason.
The U.S. bishops rejected that argument. And they should have. “Climate change” is an opinion. Yet another opinion exists as to its causation. Yet another exists as to whether it’s a serious danger or not. Harms are speculative. Killing of infants is not. They die 100% of the time and it’s intended.
Oh, I see a lot of individuals on CAF saying they have a right to act against Church teaching if their own opinion differs from it.
I’m sure you do. Doesn’t mean they’re right. It’s not a referendum like the Southern Baptist convention.
 
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If a person is getting an abortion for financial reasons
In how many is that the determining factor, and what “financial reasons” do they consider sufficiently important to kill a child? You have not answered that.
If you want to use your prudential judgement and decide that the science isn’t correct, I can respect that, but a great deal of people think the science is correct and a large portion of the world’s population is at risk.
I’ts not a matter of “science” but of opinions of people who have no special knowledge of what drives climate. This has been endlessly debated including on CAF and the contrary opinions are numerous and strong. Claiming it has a catastrophic end point is far from demonstrated. The death of aborted children is not a matter of opinion. They die.
No, those who ignore Church teaching on matters such as the Iraq War or torture certainly aren’t right.
In what part of the catechism does it condemn the Iraq War? Just give us the number, we can look it up.

In what part of the catechism does it define torture in a way that would exclude, for most subjects, being arrested, cuffed, taken to a police station and interrogated? People have had heart attacks and died with no more than that. Is it your position that the Church forbids arrests, handcuffing, being taken to a police station and questioned?

But even if you can do that, which you cannot, it does not change the fact that the Church totally forbids abortion and furthermore forbids supporting politicians who support it other than for equally grave (proportionate) reasons. What are the “equally grave” reasons to vote for abortion?
 
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No, they didn’t.
The bishops did reject it. Abp McElroy’s position was:

“My own view is that there were three pre-eminent issues in American public life today for the Catholic faithful citizen: one is abortion, one is the environment and one is immigration,”

The vast majority of bishops rejected his proposition by voting it down as an inclusion in the new letter to the faithful.
 
I don’t see any other meaning in this. Perhaps you can explain why you think there is one.
I think your viewpoint is fair. I agree that Pope Francis (through the Catechism) did mention the change in the ability to protect society through detention and so forth. But the Catechism also notes that the change is due to “increasing awareness that the dignity of the person is not lost even after the commission of very serious crimes.” So Pope Francis is also talking about a growth in the understanding of the meaning of the dignity of all persons, even criminals. My sense is that was the driving factor in the change. I think you are saying that the driving factor in the evolution of the teaching was a change in the understanding about how to protect society, or in means to protect society. I think that is one way to read the change, but not the way I would read it.
 
now before you knock OANN, look at the PPH tweet it says it all

for those who think there is no worry about abortion expanding, expansion is the goal and your vote for Biden/Harris enables that goal.

for those who think abortion isn’t on the ballot, PPH and Kamala Harris don’t agree with you. abortion is an issue in this election and every vote counts

(Bold Mine, except for @'s)
Planned Parenthood Action

Running with @KamalaHarris,@JoeBiden is leading a ticket committed to protecting and expanding reproductive health care.
Finally! Reproductive health is on the ballot — and now we have TWO champions on one ticket.
https://www.oann.com/abortion-advoc...-advocates-hopeful-biden-lifts-hyde-amendment

 
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In my opinion, none. In reality, it is a factor if not the overriding reason in a majority of abortions.
In other words, you don’t know. “Financial reasons” could be money for a vacation trip, or food, but you don’t know which is sufficient for how many.
Why don’t you support a strong social safety net to reduce the number of abortions?
I certainly support a strong medical safety net. Whether that would reduce abortions is hard to know. Personally, though, I doubt it is sufficient. I am very familiar with the birthing homes of Catholic Charities in this diocese, and it takes a lot more than Medicaid to provide sufficient support to a woman who really is in danger of abortion for financial reasons. A lot more. I am also familiar with some of the Sisters of Life and their mission. Again, just providing welfare is not enough.

For those for whom (as Obama said of his children) a baby is merely a burden relative to the lifestyle wants to have, no “social safety net” will suffice, because finances aren’t the real reason.
The people that have opinions on it are called ‘scientists’ and the vast majority believe it is real.
I have seen the credentialling of huge numbers of them, and few are trained in anything remotely resembling “climate science”. But they write about it anyway. I have also seen contrary numbers that are just as large as the numbers cited as being the “overwhelming majority” of those who promote MMGW.
Pope John Paul II applied just war doctrine and determined it was not a just war.
We have visited that before. As you know, he premised his opposition to it on the belief that the UN could resolve Saddam’s intrnasigence. In any event, the statement of it as being unjust was from Pio Laghi who announced that the Vatican’s position was that the war could only be just if authorized by the UN. Conversely, if the UN sanctioned a war, it would be just. What “the Vatican” didn’t take into account was how deeply Saddam had bribed UN officials.
Oh, I think we both know that isn’t the torture we’re talking about.
Define it for us then, in a way that doesn’t include law enforcement as we know it or war.
That’s way less than the percentage of scientists (real scientists) think that climate change is real
No. We have seen repeatedly on here that a majority of actual scientists do NOT support the liberal position on “climate change”. When it comes to endorsement of the “orthodox” view, a small minority of published papers actually support it.

Ian Plimer: 97% Of Scientists Agree On Nothing - The Global Warming Policy Forum


But this debate could go on for thousands of posts and has in the past. It is not my intention to start that, but only to dispute your assertion that more than 2/3 of the scientists who write about MMGW hold the full position.
 
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Nobody has come up with a “proportionate” reason to endorse killing a million children/year. If you have one, let’s hear it.
This statement assumes an endorsement of abortion, which kind of begs the question. It is the person, not the subject, that is endorsed.

So, here is one proportional reason. If one chooses to vote for Trump versus and candidate that does not support any abortion and is pro-life in other areas, then that candidates elect-ability as an obscure third party candidate would be a proportional reason to vote from Trump instead of him.
It’s not “My” opinion.
I have to assume that what you said you believed to be true. It sure sounded like it was your opinion, as you did not quote anyone. I did not say it was your opinion exclusively. I know a lot of people agree with you.
Where does the Church teach that individuals have the moral right to act against Church teaching if our own opinion differs with it?
No where. I have not read that anywhere.
 
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Come to think of it, why is Biden on top of the ticket? Part of the vice-president’s job description is to take on the duties of the president if it becomes necessary so Biden thinks Kamala Harris is clearly qualified to be president. He should be a good white male ally, step back, and concede her right to lead.
 
Back to the topic, I am ambivalent as to the choice of Harris. There were a lot better candidates, most of them Republicans, but there were more that were worse.
 
Perhaps I don’t fully appreciate isolated character assassinations intended to be broadly applied to the innocent.
Isolated 'character assassination"/ You wildly exaggerate. I cited what a mayor stated. You can have any opinion you want of it but it is certainly not character assassination to quote a public official.
 
our nation is not made up of Catholics alone and, hopefully, will never be a theocracy of any religious belief or practice, but will remain a mosaic of diverse beliefs, both religious and political.
Our nation is likely to remain a mosaic of diverse beliefs. Voting one’s beliefs (including faith informed beliefs) does not a theocracy make.
 
the conservative Reps do not want to extend freedom to certain groups of people, such as women,
Freedom to do what?
If the answer involves the killing of others, then we live in a country in which actions to curtail killing others has been seen appropriate.
 
But restricting or eliminating all or most abortion clinics for women in a given state based on a religious belief does.
 
Not killing. The discrimination against women, minorities, LGBT, and the disabled has been well documented in our country and continues to this very day.
 
Sarah Palin was a terrible choice for Vice- President. The late Senator John McCain rued the day he selected her as his running mate. She’s why he didn’t win the presidency in 2008.
John McCain ran a poor campaign. If she is the reason he lost, it is only because the liberal media made her a target.
 
Anyone else notice the race-lift the press gave Kamala Harris?
I was going to flag this, but realized it wouldn’t do any good.

This is racist on so many levels.

First, you are saying that Indian-Americans are “lower” than Black Americans and calling someone Black is a “race-lift”.

Second, since both are true, there is no reason to bring this up.

I’m a little disappointed.
 
‘Race lift’ - what an ugly expression. Way to drag down the level of discussion here.
 
John McCain ran a poor campaign. If she is the reason he lost, it is only because the liberal media made her a target.
The conservative media in like fashion is doing the same to Kamala Harris.
 
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