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It’s certainly a worrying trend. It’s also seemingly become the default on this forum, unfortunately.
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Of course it does. Is there now a new rule that only dogmatically correct posts are allowed?
I simply offered a practical solution to decrease or eliminate abortions. There are quite a few impediments which prevent the wide acceptance of Catholicism - and the handling of sexual matters is probably the number one problem.
As a matter of fact, the dogmas are irrelevant if practically no one follows them.
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So you say. But a person defending abortion is the biggest loser of all in today’s politics, at least from a Catholic point of view. But since you don’t appear to be Catholic, perhaps i should not expect you to see killing children as a moral evil. But even so, I think most civilizations and peoples have recognized the evil in it.
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StudentMI
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I think that says everything. Good day.
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Of course it does. Is there now a new rule that only dogmatically correct posts are allowed?
I simply offered a practical solution to decrease or eliminate abortions. There are quite a few impediments which prevent the wide acceptance of Catholicism - and the handling of sexual matters is probably the number one problem.
As a matter of fact, the dogmas are irrelevant if practically no one follows them.
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LOL - Jefferson has political enemies 200 years after his death? There is plenty of evidence, if you want to believe their is none (for whatever reason) that is your business. Not worth debating.
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Certainly. But respect does not mean acceptance. Respectful disagreement is still allowed - I HOPE.
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I guess it all depends on what your definition of the word “respect” is…27lw:
Certainly. But respect does not mean acceptance.
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StudentMI
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Unfortunately discussion has come to mean one must agree entirely with the stated position of another before talking is possible. Not so much discussion as preaching to the choir. It’s a shame
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Abrosz
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Of course. It would revolve around the practical aspects of the issue. And the methods of decreasing / eliminating abortions would be central issue - which we ALL want!
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StudentMI
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So decreasing abortion means accepting all the arguments for abortion access?
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27lw
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Do you really think your post is respectful to Catholic teaching? You realize that artificial birth control is against Catholic teaching?Ridgerunner:
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Voting for reproductive freedom AKA choice is not voting for abortions. The abortion is the woman’s choice, not the voter’s choice. If she happens to believe in God, then it is between she and the Lord - and it is none of your business.
Of course any discussion about abortions is futile as long as all you bring up is histrionics in the form of “genocide of the unborn baybees” or “mass slaughter of the innocents”. As long as you wish to avoid the fundamental difference between zygotes, blastocysts, embryos, fetuses and babies - there can be no discussion.
Start officially supporting all forms of pregnancy preventions or contraceptions, mechanical and chemical, and there can be a fruitful discussion. The suggested abstinence as the one and only “moral” way to avoid pregnancy will never gain acceptance, nut just in the general population, but among Catholics either. And not just the everyday Catholics, but members of clergy either. So stop peddling the “wares” which no one will want to buy.
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I don’t understand why people come on this site to argue against BASIC Catholic teaching.
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Abrosz
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Yes, I think it is respectful. I repeat: “respect does not entail agreement”. A disrespectful way would use vulgarities and personal attacks. A simple disagreement with some teaching is NOT disrespectful.
A question: “When and where did God of Jesus declare: Thou shalt not use artificial birth control”? Why is it not in the Ten Commandments?
Looks like I poked the hornet’s nest. No matter how respectful the disagreement is, some people take it personally. I wonder how many flags will I get for disagreement? BTW, the only way to learn is by talking to people with dissenting opinions. And I like to learn.
Also I think it is sad that there is no common way to fight against abortions. Is it not the number one issue any more? The Catholic church has a LOT to offer on how to conduct one’s life. But not on every issue.
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You basically ordered that the Church ditch 2000 years of teaching and tradition.
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WingedHussar
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By “common knowledge” you mean it was repeated by lots of people. Ever seen how gossip spreads? It was never acknowledged by Thomas Jefferson himself.
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27lw
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You think the only way to learn is by talking to people with dissenting opinions.27lw:
Yes, I think it is respectful. I repeat: “respect does not entail agreement”. A disrespectful way would use vulgarities and personal attacks. A simple disagreement with some teaching is NOT disrespectful.
A question: “When and where did God of Jesus declare: Thou shalt not use artificial birth control”? Why is it not in the Ten Commandments?
Looks like I poked the hornet’s nest. No matter how respectful the disagreement is, some people take it personally. I wonder how many flags will I get for disagreement? BTW, the only way to learn is by talking to people with dissenting opinions. And I like to learn.
Also I think it is sad that there is no common way to fight against abortions. Is it not the number one issue any more? The Catholic church has a LOT to offer on how to conduct one’s life. But not on every issue.
Hmmm. Okay. I guess that’s one way to learn, but not the only way to learn.
Another way to learn is just reading and thinking. If you like to learn, then enjoy!
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Come on. I would not even think about “ordering” the church to do anything.
The question is simple: according to the church
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- contraception is also sinful.
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Who said only? It is one of them.
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27lw
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Ummmm, you did?27lw:
Who said only? It is one of them.
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My personal opinion would be that procured abortion is more sinful. The reason i say so is because the intention in contraception is to prevent conception and not to kill a living person. Whereas the intention in abortion is to prevent the birth of a child and to murder that child so s/he will not be born. IMHO, there are different degrees of punishment in hell, depending on the culpability of the offender and the severity of the offense committed.
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