Biden picks Kamala Harris as running mate

[Rubee]

No we are not to obey the Bishops.

We absolutely must obey the bishop and the magisterium, unless the bishop is opposing the magisterium. That ecclessiology is way off and not Catholic. Please refer to the CCC. In terms of this issue, though, I agree with you that both climate and unborn children are pre-eminent. After all, if the predictions are true, then climate change would be a pro-life issue too. However, we need to obey bishops in their areas of competence. I believe the USCCB has guidelines on political matters.

 

[RidgeSprinter]

Which is showing disobedience to the bishops in this country. The Pope’s words are universal. The bishops in each country decide how to implement those words.

Bishops are not infallible.

They are quite able to decide wrongly how to implement those words.

 

[StudentMI]

Bishops are not infallible.

Nor are encyclicals necessarily.

 

[RidgeSprinter]

believe the USCCB has guidelines on political matters.

And we have the written words of the current Pope.

 

[RidgeSprinter]

Nor are encyclicals necessarily.

I once said something similar and was told I was wrong here.

 

[StudentMI]

They supposedly had guidelines on protecting children from all forms of Abuse, but see how well that went.

That’s not really an argument.

I once said something similar and was told I was wrong here.

Then you were told wrong.

 

[RidgeSprinter]

Then you were told wrong.

It was several months ago. So don’t expect me remember who it was. I just remember being hit with a number of replies.

 

[choose_to_love]

You just proved Jharek’s point.

 

[RidgeSprinter]

According to him, you’re supporting the Holocaust, so don’t forget that part.

for real, I did not know that.

Yes i support the Holocaust in the proper context.

Pope Francis on the Holocaust

NCR Today: Pope Francis calls the Holocaust a genocide, but said it had something other 20th-century genocides didn't have.

www.ncronline.org

Pope on Holocaust atrocities: Let's all say never again

Pope Francis is inviting prayers and reflection about the “atrocity” of the Holocaust, urging people to vow in their heart “never again.” In remarks to the public in St. Peter's Square on Sunday, Francis noted that Monday is the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi's Auschwitz-Birkenau...

apnews.com

Pope Francis: Remembering the Holocaust is ‘a duty’

During his visit to Poland in 2016, the pope visited the Auschwitz death camp, where he prayed in silence and met with survivors of the Holocaust.

www.americamagazine.org

 

[Theo520]

Ah, Roy Spencer. Talk about follow the money; here’s a guy who gets lots of cashy money from the fossil fuel industry.

I’m pretty sure his research has been primarily govt funded, as with his salary.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Well, there’s that “hiring a hit man” part too. In supporting abortion, you can choose whether to be a hit man employer or a Himmler.

 

[RuthAnne]

So. . . they’re not pro-life, just regular pro-choicers who maybe don’t get abortion themselves.

No. They are pro-life. They oppose abortion.

 

[AlNg]

Abortion is murder, as it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being.

OK, but if you don’t punish the murderer and the person who contracts the murder, then legislation outlawing it lacks teeth.

 

[RidgeSprinter]

OK, but if you don’t punish the murderer and the person who contracts the murder, then legislation outlawing it lacks teeth.

Never happen…

 

[Ridgerunner]

And where is your proof? All we get from you is it might or might not reduce the number of abortions. You demand proof but never provide any yourself.

Killing is an evil in itself. Being complicit with killers who intend to kill is evil in itself. The cessation of toleration of such an evil is a good in itself and requires no further justification. On the other hand, when one is supporting evil, one must at minimum have an exceedingly good reason for doing it. That, you have not yet provided.

I am fairly confident that making rape illegal does reduce rapes, so that is a poor example.

Confidence is not proof.

 

[Theo520]

You might want to dig a little more.

I did, and my statement is accurate.
You can’t back up your claim

 

[Ridgerunner]

Allowing a evil as serious as abortion, even without absolute proof that ceasing to make it legal will reduce the numbers is still seriously evil. If the government adopted the old Roman right of “Paterfamilias” by which a father could abandon a born child to the elements to its death, simply allowing that to exist is an evil. If this country legalized slavery, that legalization would be a serious evil even if nobody actually owned any slaves.

But to the extent there is evidence of either proposition, it appears to be on the side of terminating its legality, since the number of abortions is greater now than it was before Roe.

https://www.grtl.org/docs/roevwade.pdf

But even if it wasn’t, minimizing the numbers does not make the evil any less serious. Apparently the bishops did not reach for that improvisation, and even McElroy did not.

 

[upant]

once a politician takes office, he has the ability to influence public policy regarding abortion

a repub will limit the expansion and the dem will create an expansion by allowing abortion for any reason everywhere even in states that now limit it. Joe said he will codify it in law, rescind the Mexico City Policy, and that the feds will pay for your abortion. this will increase abortions here and worldwide. 50 million babies are aborted yearly worldwide.

those who want to say abortion isn’t on the ballot or that it doesn’t matter because it won’t stop abortion need to listen to Joe, Kamala, and PPH, you are enabling their planned expansion of abortion.

if making abortion illegal does not reduce the number of abortions,

you keep repeating this but this isn’t the reason to vote against Joe, the reason is the expansion of abortion his policies will create. this expansion will increase abortions here and abroad.

and the dems also ave the rest of the hedonistic lifestyle issues.

 

[Theo520]

Regularly an expert witness for the fossil fuel industry, which is quite lucrative.

Please, I asked you for evidence he’s paid big money.
You’ve provided nothing so far.

 

[YADA]

No the default is bringing up abortion and the Little Sister’s of the Poor on every post in this subform.

I thought it was Joe Biden that brought the Little Sister’s of the Poor into this campaign … when they won the SCOTUS decision -

Biden says he would undo contraception exemptions for Little Sisters of the Poor - Washington Examiner

After the Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that the Little Sisters of the Poor do not have to offer contraception in their healthcare, former Vice President Joe Biden said he would effectively undo the decision if elected president."If I am elected, I will restore the Obama-Biden policy that...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

I think this is Joe Biden making this an issue in his campaign and an attempt to gain votes from the NARAL - Planned Parenthood crowd - you know … the Democratic base

And it is a travesty when Biden can say this one week and then turn around wearing his “Catholic faith” on his pandering sleeve a couple weeks later with this

How Joe Biden's Catholic roots have shaped his public life

The former vice president, who could be on the cusp of becoming the second Catholic president of the U.S., is hands down the most comfortable Democratic politician of his generation talking about his faith.

www.ncronline.org