We are 10 months into this pandemic now and the most successful countries are those that have gone for elimination. Mitigation failed because it just meant long months of yoyo-ing in and out of lockdown. Those countries that went for elimination are now coming back to a future free of wholesale lockdown and are dealing with clusters as they come up because of the fast turnaround testing and contact tracing.Motherwit:
Especially when it is merely “mitigation”.
Motherwit. Your comment is exactly the kind of (built-in assumed) misapplication of mitigation that I have been warning readers of.
In this . . .
. . . you just ignored away all the nuclear fallout that these mandates have wrought upon us.
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No it didn’t. It failed because it was merely “mitigation” and people expected more.
Mitigation was never set-up to be a cure.
The results are variable. Just like you’d expect.
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Stronger rules do not guarantee compliance.
Let’s take my example of driving under the influence.
I know people who have driven under the influence. These are people who work with me, intelligent people who have college degrees and work in a hospital lab saving lives, same as me.
And they joke about being lucky to make it home after having a certain amount of alcohol at an after-work get-together!
Over half of auto accidents involve alcohol (the other half involve drivers falling asleep).
What kind of “stronger law” do you think should be made that will stop people from driving under the influence?
Here’s Peeps personal opinion–DEATH PENALTY for driving under the influence and causing an auto accident that resulted in another driver’s or passenger’s death. In fact, Peeps would like to see this implemented along with allowing the family to tell off the drunk driver immediately before their execution.
Do you think that’s a strong enough law? You know, I don’t think even THAT would stop people from driving under the influence.
So we’re back where we started.
I just finished reading an article about whether the COVID-19 vaccine will be required. The answer is, “No,” even though the more people who are vaccinated, the more likely we are to establish herd immunity that will protect most of us.
The article said that no one can force someone to wear a mask, get a vaccine, or do anything to themselves that they don’t feel comfortable doing.
HOWEVER…an employer can make masks or vaccines a requirement for getting hired or keeping the job. That’s not a “law,” it’s a “policy,” and employers are permitted to establish reasonable policies that don’t break other laws (e.g., civil rights laws).
I’m sorry–in some of my other posts, I describe my husband, who has been in the hospital for a week fighting against COVID-19 for his life. He probably caught the virus from his elderly parents–his mother has Alzheimers, and if a mask is put on her, she pulls it off. And his dad has a hard enough time seeing–the mask just makes it harder. Besides, in their own home, they don’t wear masks–do you?
Thankfully he seems to be a little better today, and is being weaned off the oxygen. I’m much more optimistic than I was yesterday, and hope that the Lord has chosen to spare him, this time.
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Laws are meant to tell you what you can and can not do and to allow the government to punish you if you do not obey the law. They are not some magical wand that prevent people from behaving badly.
Most of us will do what we can to follow laws because we don’t want to deal with the punishment.
P.S. It is great that your husband is doing better. I pray that he recovers quickly.
Most of us will do what we can to follow laws because we don’t want to deal with the punishment.
P.S. It is great that your husband is doing better. I pray that he recovers quickly.
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Prayers for your family.
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18,000 dead in the 7 days since these prediction were posted. At that rate the CDC’s forecast will come around in 8 weeks and Biden’s forecast will take 11 weeks.
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Thanks to the left for “treating” this with mere mitigation.
A fools errand if there ever was one.
Except 7 of the 10 worst States for cases per capita are Republican held.Motherwit:
Thanks to the left for “treating” this with mere mitigation.
A fools errand if there ever was one.
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Worst states for what?
A “rate” of cases is only part of the story.
This is just what I would expect.
All mitigation does is spread out that “rate”. (Why do you think “rates” in those states are lower? Mitigation.
That does not mean cases are less.
The other states all have goiten their share too. It might take two weeks or longer. It might take two months or longer (depending how drastic they punish themselves).
But mitigation does not make a virus go away.
Why not just believe the experts?
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This is false.
billsherman. You’ve gotten just about everything I have said wrong when you attempt to characterize me.
I have taken a lot of my time to walk you through things and you have still misquoted me and jumbled up what I said.
The latest example is when I went through some physiology.
I’m sorry billsherman but I am not going to correct you on what you are saying is what you think I “believe” except to say you’re wrong.
I just don’t have time for that right now.
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You have repeatedly refused to state what mitigation efforts you support.
Unless you are willing to inform us, I have no choice but to try and figure it out.
Aside from saying I’m wrong, you haven’t helped.
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Then kindly point me to a post.
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billsherman . . .
I have done that before, and it was a waste of my time.
So for now . . . No.
Maybe some other time.
I have done that before, and it was a waste of my time.
So for now . . . No.
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Sorry, you won’t tell us what you personally are doing. You won’t take pity on us poor idiots who have not figured out how to use the search on CAF (and I count myself in that group, it either returns too much to go thru or nothing that makes sense). Every time anyone suggests anything other than people should go around without masks and we should do what Sweden did (I believe they do wear masks) you say that doesn’t work.
So what I have inferred is that you do none of the CDC recommendations, you don’t think anyone else should, you only wear a mask if that is the only way to do something (like go inside a federal building or if your employer required it if you wanted a paycheck) and you will not be taking the vaccine.
So what I have inferred is that you do none of the CDC recommendations, you don’t think anyone else should, you only wear a mask if that is the only way to do something (like go inside a federal building or if your employer required it if you wanted a paycheck) and you will not be taking the vaccine.
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It “doesn’t work” for what?
If you see so many of my comments (“everytime . . .”), what do I say “masking-up” does and does not “work” for.
After all, if you have read so many of those posts from me, it should be easy.
What do you think I have said about the situations masks work . . . . and the situations where “masks do not work”?
I want to get a glimpse into what you’re thinking I said.
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The Sweden “Lockdowns never again” thread would be a good place to review the shifting goal posts. The article promoted then in mid August claimed…sallybutler:
It “doesn’t work” for what?
If you see so many of my comments (“everytime . . .”), what do I say “masking-up” does and does not “work” for.
After all, if you have read so many of those posts from me, it should be easy.
What do you think I have said about the situations masks work . . . . and the situations where “masks do not work”?
I want to get a glimpse into what you’re thinking I said.
"To be clear, Sweden’s economy is wide open. No one is social distancing or wearing a ridiculous mask. Life is back to normal, and the infection rate is still falling. It’s pretty safe to say the population in Sweden has now built some level of immunity to the virus, and all signs indeed point to the pandemic being over in Sweden.
What is the obvious takeaway from this? Perhaps Dr. Rushworth sums it up best, saying he is “willing to bet that the countries that have shut down completely will see rates spike when they open up. If that is the case, then there won’t have been any point in shutting down in the first place.”"
That position will go down in history as a huge and devastating error on Sweden’s part and on the part of Swedish wannabe’s.
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I think you should put ALL of what I said in your post Motherwit.
I ALSO told you cases would go up in the winter.
And cases HAVE gone up in the winter . . . ALL OVER.
I also asked you to show me where the WHO reversed itself on calling Sweden “a model country” in this regard.
And I am still waiting.
I also showed where you were touting Denmark as having great results.
When I showed you Denmark ALSO had no MANDATED masking-up, you became silent in that regard.
I also told you MITIGATION does not reduce cases but rather spreads them out over a longer period of time.
leftists have had the whole proverbial nine yards in many places around the world.
I pointed out numerous times MITIGATIONS are fine for an emergency to spare a health care system in overload but they are not meant as long-term solutions and sooner or later the “cure” gets worse than the disease (because you bring upon yourself economic destruction and YOU STILL have a virus to contend with).
I also pointed out the mitigation as a substitute for treatment has led to global FAMINE of “Biblical Proportions”.
Many here have shrugged that off. So I tried to help get them out of a self-perspective by asking what they would think if their grocery stores were locked down (as a simulation as to what others the world over are going through).
It didn’t compute. Nor will it, unless they can look at the bigger picture.
Sweden is now five weeks into their proverbial crackdown and the case rate is at its highest DESPITE the mitigation mandates there.
Admittedly deaths have fallen but it is tough to tell what is going on as they at least in the past were killing their own people who had corona virus (giving narcotics - a respiratory depressant - to sick corona virus patients with corona virus pneumonia. A very self-destructive paradigm.).
I stand by everything I said.
I ALSO told you cases would go up in the winter.
And cases HAVE gone up in the winter . . . ALL OVER.
I also asked you to show me where the WHO reversed itself on calling Sweden “a model country” in this regard.
And I am still waiting.
I also showed where you were touting Denmark as having great results.
When I showed you Denmark ALSO had no MANDATED masking-up, you became silent in that regard.
I also told you MITIGATION does not reduce cases but rather spreads them out over a longer period of time.
leftists have had the whole proverbial nine yards in many places around the world.
- Social distancing
- Masking-up
- Quarantining HEALTHY people
I pointed out numerous times MITIGATIONS are fine for an emergency to spare a health care system in overload but they are not meant as long-term solutions and sooner or later the “cure” gets worse than the disease (because you bring upon yourself economic destruction and YOU STILL have a virus to contend with).
I also pointed out the mitigation as a substitute for treatment has led to global FAMINE of “Biblical Proportions”.
Many here have shrugged that off. So I tried to help get them out of a self-perspective by asking what they would think if their grocery stores were locked down (as a simulation as to what others the world over are going through).
It didn’t compute. Nor will it, unless they can look at the bigger picture.
Sweden is now five weeks into their proverbial crackdown and the case rate is at its highest DESPITE the mitigation mandates there.
Admittedly deaths have fallen but it is tough to tell what is going on as they at least in the past were killing their own people who had corona virus (giving narcotics - a respiratory depressant - to sick corona virus patients with corona virus pneumonia. A very self-destructive paradigm.).
I stand by everything I said.
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Motherwit, I apologize that I can’t cut and paste the figures in your post. I’ll just copy them myself-- I don’t understand these figures–help me out, here, please.
16,039,393 cases in the U.S.
299,692 deaths
9,330,865 recovered
But…that leave 6,408,836 cases unaccounted for–what’s happening with these? Are they still hospitalized or convalescing? Or did they end up not really having COVID (perhaps influenzae or Strep throat or something else?)
Thanks for clarification!
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