Biden warns 'we're likely to lose another 250,000' Americans from coronavirus 'between now and January'

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Well if Biden ends up in the WH in January,those deaths will drop precipitously because the media will stop reporting on covid.Much like homelessness, is only an issue when a Republican is in office,somehow it all magically goes away with a Dem in office🙄
 
humilityseeker said:
Trump needs to step up and show leadership now with this pandemic. 2 deaths a minute right now. The guy needs to put his big boy pants on, get over the ridicule of the early pandemic daily conferences and step up to the plate.
And DO something about slowing this down.
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What should Pres. Trump do? What can be done?

The doctor just told me to prepare for the worst with my husband. He always wore his mask, and actually, he didn’t go out much since he works from home.

I, on the other hand, have been home with COVID for 10 days–and my only symptom is loss of taste and smell. What did I do differently than my poor husband? Nothing, except I’ve been working in the hospital every day, doing COVID-testing. And I lose my taste and smell, and my husband might lose his life.

So…should he have worn two masks? Is that the answer that you think Pres. Trump should give? Will that slow down the virus?

I don’t know what Pres. Trump can do to slow down a virus. And I don’t think that Pres. Biden can do anything, either. I don’t think any man or woman can do much. I think it’s wrong to condemn Pres. Trump’s approach, and I think it’s wrong to condemn Pres. Biden’s plans. They’re both doing what they think will work, and I personally don’t think any human approach will work at this point.

I think our only hope is a good vaccine, which was developed under Pres. Trump’s watch. If that doesn’t slow it down…
 
I would think you could blame the drop on vaccine. Which Trump did enable to get developed faster, even if he has checked out of the process now that it might be successful. And Yes, I am giving Trump and his administration kudos on the vaccine development.
 
Same here,my husband gets a stroke from covid and I either never caught it or was asymptomatic. So ,many extremes.However,most people are asymptomatic to mild .
 
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Peeps said:
What should Pres. Trump do? What can be done?
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Lead by example.
North Dakota has started the campaign
‘grow up, mask up’.

Not hold rallies. Utterly ridiculous his latest and downright dangerous act right now. That is the first action this man can take.

Its not just about masks as you would know working in the health care sector.

California has instituted new controls.

Until vaccines really strict measures need to be taken now. Otherwise 2 per minute is going to become higher.

What else can be done, medical expertise, care and drugs available to all who contract covid, regardless of cost.

I am praying for your husband.
 
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Cathoholic said:
Too many half-truths with this to deal with.
So I won’t.
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Too many myths in these disinformation news articles certain people keep posting.
Jeanne_S said:
However,most people are asymptomatic to mild .
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Asymptomatic means a person will never develop symptoms. They are still able to pass on the virus.
Showing no symptoms to going on to developing them is different to asymptomatic.

If as you claim ‘most people’ dont end up in the death and hospital bed figures , then this just demonstrates how badly out of control and spreading the virus is when 2 people a minute are dying, over 100,000 are in hospital and hospitals are struggling to keep up.

This is happening in an affluent first world country with state of the art medical.
 
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COC estimates 80% of those with covid are asymptomatic. That’s pretty high percentage.For most people it’s not deadly. So take my husband for instance he is in the hospital due to a severe stroke.It was discovered he also has covid. He may or may not have had the stroke due to covid we will never know.However,his covid symptoms would not have warranted hospitalization in and of itself. How many in the hospitals are like my husband,there for other reasons but happen to have covid as well.
 
Jeanne_S said:
COC estimates 80% of those with covid are asymptomatic.
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We had two people in my immediate family who had covid and both were symptomatic (maybe others around them had it too but were asymptomatic?).

All is going well now though.
 
Yep it’s gone through my sisters extended family as well .Ran the gamut of little to no symptoms to more severe like ,which was my sister ,there were 17people at a gathering ,half caught covid the others nothing …
 
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humilityseeker said:
Lead by example.
North Dakota has started the campaign
‘grow up, mask up’.

Not hold rallies. Utterly ridiculous his latest and downright dangerous act right now. That is the first action this man can take.
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Adults should not need the President or anyone to set an example, but they should do what is right, proper, and safe for the sake of what’s right, proper, and safe.

I give people more credit than apparently you and others do. I think people can make their own decisions without having someone tell them, “Do this! See, I’m doing it, now you do it!”

(Children, of course, are an exception–they follow good examples set by trusted adults.)

Just because Pres. Trump doesn’t wear a mask means that others should, sheep-like, follow his bad example.

And I honestly don’t think most people DO follow his example when it comes to mask-wearing.

Same for the rallies. Pres. Trump does not mandate attendance at his rallies. People choose to come of their own free will, and they choose to wear or not wear a mask at these rallies of their own free will.

And I suppose you could argue, “Well, they shouldn’t get health care, then” or some other “penalty” for disregarding the recommendations.

But…my husband and I were compliant–except for when we were helping his parents-in-law by bringing them supper, helping them with bill-paying, doing chores around the house, etc. That is, to my knowledge, the only opportunity that we would have had to catch COVID. And now my husband might die of it.

But…I don’t think we would have done anything any differently. I personally think that’s how most people get COVID–doing something that they think is important enough to risk doing; e.g., attending a Presidential rally.

We are free in the U.S. to make our own health decisions. Every day in this country, people disregard guidelines; e.g., recommendations to lose weight, make dietary changes, cut back on sugar and salt, become more physically active, reduce stress, stop smoking, stop or cut back on drinking alcohol, wearing a seat belt, drinking and driving (over half of car accidents have alcohol as a factor).

Laws wouldn’t make a difference–look at my example above of those who disregard the laws against drinking and driving!

People have to do what’s wise of their own free will, not because a “leader” does it or a law mandates it.

And if a leader chooses to disregard a health or safety recommendation, people do not have to blindly do as he/she does. You don’t see all of Pres. Trump’s supporters (except me!) drinking dozens of Diet Cokes every day (I was doing it before he ever came on the scene!!)

I think you will find that under Pres. Biden, many people will continue to not wear masks–the only difference will be that Pres. Biden may well recommend arrest or some other “punishment,” and even that threat won’t make people obey, any more than laws stop DUI or shootings or any other crime or trangression.

Doing what’s right HAS to be a personal choice made freely.
 
Peeps said:
my husband and I were compliant–except for when we were helping his parents-in-law by bringing them supper, helping them with bill-paying, doing chores around the house, etc. That is, to my knowledge, the only opportunity that we would have had to catch COVID. And now my husband might die of it.
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Praying for you folks Peeps. Especially your husband.

One of my family members who got it was exceedingly compliant too (the other one got it so early, the CDC and Fauci were telling us NOT to wear masks).
 
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Cathoholic said:
Praying for you folks Peeps. Especially your husband.

One of my family members who got it was exceedingly compliant too (the other one got it so early, the CDC and Fauci were telling us NOT to wear masks).
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Thank you!

Yes, I clearly remember Dr. Fauci urging people not to wear masks, and for two weeks at my hospital, at the beginning of the outbreak, we were told NOT to wear masks. Then it all changed and we have been required to wear masks ever since.

It’s just no wonder that there are still some doubts about masking.

There are other questionable practices; e.g., at my daughter’s hospital, ALL COVID patients are taken off isolation at 10 days, even if they are intubated. I’m a little shocked at that. Nurses go in and out of their rooms wearing no protection but a face mask (no face shield or any of the other protective gear against viruses). My daughter says that the physical therapists continue to treat ALL COVID patients as “infectious” and do not let up on their PPE.

And at our hospital, we have to wear masks–except when we are having breakfast or lunch in our tiny breakroom–one table that seats six, and one smaller table that seats two, crammed almost on top of each other, in a tiny room that is the size of the typical galley kitchen in a 1950s-built ranch house in the Midwest! That doesn’t even make sense to me! As though the act of eating renders me non-infectious, and also renders me immune from infection!

Anyway, it’s just no wonder that people aren’t sure about all the precautions that seem to be full of holes and exceptions.
 
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Peeps said:
Doing what’s right HAS to be a personal choice made freely.
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When the common good is under threat, people need stronger rules. The common good trumps an individuals rights. In fact without an environment that guards the common good, individual rights can’t exist. Imagine if it was our choice to smoke on a plane or not. Or perhaps exclude black people from our businesses. We know that even today, loads of people are just going to do what they like.
 
Motherwit said:
When the common good is under threat, people need stronger rules.
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Especially when it is merely “mitigation”.

Motherwit. Your comment is exactly the kind of (built-in assumed) misapplication of mitigation that I have been warning readers of.

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Motherwit said:
The common good trumps an individuals rights.
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. . . you just ignored away all the nuclear fallout that these mandates have wrought upon us.
 
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