Biden warns 'we're likely to lose another 250,000' Americans from coronavirus 'between now and January'

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Cathoholic said:
The fact that you’d ask that tells me you don’t really want a serious conversation.
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Why not? You don’t appear troubled by it.

You want end all mitigation policies, right? That would increase the number of death, wouldn’t it?
 
billsherman said:
You want end all mitigation policies, right?
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I haven’t said that either.

In fact I have said something quite different (but it doesn’t seem to matter to you. As you have said. You do not understand what I am telling you.)

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billsherman said:
That would increase the number of death, wouldn’t it?
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For the umpty ninth and final time . . . . Mitigation does not decrease or increase the number of deaths. At least directly.

It flattens the curve.

If you’ve had integral calculus, you know the area under the curve remains the same.
 
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Cathoholic said:
In fact I have said something quite different (but it doesn’t seem to matter to you. As you have said. You do not understand what I am telling you.)
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Then what do you want?

Explain it to me like I’m a stupid child.
 
Cathoholic said:
Were both too good to want to fall into condescension against one another.
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Then explain it to me like I’m an elderly genius.

Either way, tell me what mitigation measures you think we should be using. Kindly.
 
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Cathoholic:
Were both too good to want to fall into condescension against one another.
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Then explain it to me like I’m an elderly genius.

Either way, tell me what mitigation measures you think we should be using. Kindly.
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Yes, @Cathoholic. I would like to know your approach as well. Despite you claiming to have given it, none of us can find it.
 
Cathoholic said:
You haven’t interiorized anything I said to you.
At least that’s what it looks like to me.

So go ahead and think whatever you want. I’m fine with that.
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I havent what?
Utterly ridiculous.

Get enraged about an affluent first world country, state of the art medical facilities, experiencing 2 deaths a minute over the past 48hrs due to covid.
 
Cathoholic said:
The fact that you’d ask that tells me you don’t really want a serious conversation.
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Is that a yes or a no?
Are you fine with an affluent first world country, one that leads the world, experiencing 2 deaths a minute over the past 48hrs due to Covid.
Top rate medical facilities.
 
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humilityseeker said:
Get enraged about an . . .
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You have told me several times to get enraged.

That is not the way I handle things like this.

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ThinkingSapien said:
I remember someone trying to comically present the position in a show when some people turn against someone for not being sufficiently outraged at something that had happened.

There were some incidents during the summer of protesting when protestors engaged in intimidating behavior to people that had not repeated their cries back to them. I thought this was wrong.
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StudentMI said:
Have you talked to anyone who works at a hospital? I have.
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I really don’t want to get involved in another political thread on here (least of all one that is already 117 posts long), but you are absolutely right. I have also spoken to friends of mine who work at hospitals, and they have said pretty much the same thing. I have a friend who has been a doctor for over 15 years, most of that time working in emergency medicine, and he says that this has been the first time that he has come home from work and been unable to sleep because he is so worried about his patients and he knows that some of them will be dead by the time his next shift begins. He, and another mutual friend of ours who is a nurse at a different hospital, have both been infected. I cannot claim to know what the solution is, and I know that there are reasonable people on all sides of the debate, but I really wish that people would not make this into a political issue and that they would just let the actual experts get on with their jobs.

P.S. I would add that in the UK, which has a population about one fifth the size of the US population, the worst case scenario at the beginning of the pandemic was 500,000 deaths. Therefore, for the US to eventually have 500,000 deaths sounds completely plausible. So far, the UK is on just over 61,000 deaths, and we are projected to reach over 85,000 deaths by the end of the winter. So, again, around 500,000 deaths in a country about five times larger than us is not by any means ridiculous. It could be that 250,000 more deaths is a bit of an over-estimate, but it’s not a crazy figure.
 
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EmilyAlexandra said:
I really wish that people would not make this into a political issue and that they would just let the actual experts get on with their jobs.
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I really wish that too. But with the political buddy exception clause (that is lived out), it is evident that there is at least a political dimension to all of this.

Real health issues too. I know first hand (but I am not going to get into THAT here as CAF is not about me).

The “science” policies is what got us to this disastrous point.
 
What are today’s , the last 24hr record breaking Covid figures? Are you aware of them? Lets start with the record infection figures.

Get enraged, get outraged, demand leadership that will do something about slowing this down.
Get enraged, get outraged over the covid diatribe dribbled by media outlets more intent on making political points then discussing the current death and hospital beds and health worker trauma.

Who cares about comically presenting anything related to what Covid is doing now , and by the way that link is unrelated. Again you have chosen to politicize.
It is quite cold hearted for anyone to present 2 deaths a minute and the intubation of patients as their final awareness, and the mourning of loved ones, and the loss of young healthy health workers doing their job, to covid as comical.
 
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Cathoholic said:
Well StudentMI. Keep telling yourself that. Because that is what got us here.
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No. What got us here are people with attitudes like those walking into my daughter’s medical clinic and yelling at her and the other medical providers about how stupid they are for wearing masks. What got us here were people who insist that their “right” to go maskless overrode other peoples "right’ to life (note that they are the same people who get incensed over someone smoking within 10 miles of them). What got us here were people who insist, even as they lay dying in the hospital from Covid-19, that it is all a head fake and really not very serious.

That is what got us here.
 
I think about your daughter often, and I hope she’s doing well and that her morale is as good as can be expected.

I’ll keep her in my prayers.

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sallybutler said:
That is what got us here.
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False.

These policies are widespread.

They don’t work.

If you think a few emotional examples does it, you should start with the phony politicians who institute mandates that they and their political buddies ignore.

The reason they do this is because THEY don’t believe this is a concern to THEM.

And the reason WHY at least some other people want to universally mandate this
has to do with themselves and their own worries about getting a viral infection. . . .

. . . Ignoring all the world wide starvation this had wrought upon the world.

For the politicians themselves, many times it’s power. Power in and of itself is an “end” to those people.
 
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Todays figures, that is the last 24hrs

Over 229,000 NEW, thats NEW infections. On the past 24 hrs. ( Only reflecting people tested)
2637 deaths. That is 2 deaths a minute.
 
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