Do you believe that the death rate would be just the same without any restrictions? Or do you acknowledge without those restrictions, the death rate would be even higher now?humilityseeker:
Let me repeat over and over.
We were warned.
Even go back and read the conservatives posts from last March.
This is just what they told us would happen.
And it did.
Biden warns 'we're likely to lose another 250,000' Americans from coronavirus 'between now and January'
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That’s what I’ve been saying. Since March.
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You can’t “emote” a virus away.
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Do you believe that the starvation rate would be just the same without any restrictions? Or do you acknowledge without those restrictions, the starvation rate would be even less now?
Ask yourself WHY your grocery store is exempt from lockdown orders?
When someone makes it about themselves, maybe they can see it easier.
So you are acknowledging then that the death rate would be higher without the restrictions? Just trying to wade through the way you don’t answer directly.Motherwit:
Do you believe that the starvation rate would be just the same without any restrictions? Or do you acknowledge without those restrictions, the starvation rate would be even less now?
Ask yourself WHY your grocery store is exempt from lockdown orders?
When someone makes it about themselves, maybe they can see it easier.
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My husband has been in the hospital since Sunday evening with COVID. He’s on oxygen (but not intubated) and on Rendisvir (sorry about the spelling), and antibiotics.
I have been home from work with COVID, but the only symptoms I had were loss of taste and smell, which is actually coming back after only 8 days.
We wear masks everywhere outside of our home–except when we went to help my husband’s elderly parents. We’ve been helping them out for months now, even before COVID hit the country. They never leave their house. They do have caregivers during the day.
AND…my husband’s sister also comes over to help her mother (not her dad, whom she hates). She’s a school nurse, and wears a mask on the job, but not when she is with her parents or us.
As far as we know, she was the first of the family to test positive with COVID. And then my parents-in-law tested positive and went into the hospital, but they were discharged within a few days. Now my MIL is back in with pneumonia and UTI, and if she lives, will go home on hospice care. (She has late stage dementia, so death would be a home-going to heaven for her.)
And then my husband started having symptoms, and got tested and was positive, and when I lost my sense of taste/smell, I got tested and was positive.
Sadly, though, my husband’s case seems to be the most serious of all the family members, and we are all praying that his oxygen levels will improve and that he will actually get to go home alive.
So apparently we got COVID through family contact. The only other time I’m out is when I’m at work, and at the grocery store, and I wear a mask both places. Other than helping his parents, my husband never goes out because he works from home.
So…I think I’m qualified to comment here. I think I’ve earned that right.
Here’s what I think. I think most people in the U.S. DO WEAR MASKS and practice social distancing, and all the rest. I do not think that Pres. Biden or anyone else has to pontificate on mask-wearing or issue a 100-day suggestion. I seldom see anyone without a mask in our city.
I think most people who get COVID do so because they are fulfilling family responsibilities that they will NOT give up, even at the risk of their own lives.
Yes, perhaps wearing a mask around family would help, but when you’re sitting at table helping your mother or father eat the meal that you have brought over for them, or when you are helping change your mother’s diaper-you’re not necessarily going to wear a mask the entire time (especially when eating or drinking)–and that’s probably all it takes for many of us–that little bit of exposure.
So I think we need to stop blaming “lack of mask wearing” for the spread of the disease. It’s not realistic to wear that mask constantly when you’re helping family. Just not gonna happen.
We wear masks at work…but we take them off in our tiny breakroom when we eat breakfast and lunch. it’s just possible that I caught COVID there, brought it out to my parents-in-law and sister-in-law and my husband and myself. Maybe we should eat in total isolation at work?
I have been home from work with COVID, but the only symptoms I had were loss of taste and smell, which is actually coming back after only 8 days.
We wear masks everywhere outside of our home–except when we went to help my husband’s elderly parents. We’ve been helping them out for months now, even before COVID hit the country. They never leave their house. They do have caregivers during the day.
AND…my husband’s sister also comes over to help her mother (not her dad, whom she hates). She’s a school nurse, and wears a mask on the job, but not when she is with her parents or us.
As far as we know, she was the first of the family to test positive with COVID. And then my parents-in-law tested positive and went into the hospital, but they were discharged within a few days. Now my MIL is back in with pneumonia and UTI, and if she lives, will go home on hospice care. (She has late stage dementia, so death would be a home-going to heaven for her.)
And then my husband started having symptoms, and got tested and was positive, and when I lost my sense of taste/smell, I got tested and was positive.
Sadly, though, my husband’s case seems to be the most serious of all the family members, and we are all praying that his oxygen levels will improve and that he will actually get to go home alive.
So apparently we got COVID through family contact. The only other time I’m out is when I’m at work, and at the grocery store, and I wear a mask both places. Other than helping his parents, my husband never goes out because he works from home.
So…I think I’m qualified to comment here. I think I’ve earned that right.
Here’s what I think. I think most people in the U.S. DO WEAR MASKS and practice social distancing, and all the rest. I do not think that Pres. Biden or anyone else has to pontificate on mask-wearing or issue a 100-day suggestion. I seldom see anyone without a mask in our city.
I think most people who get COVID do so because they are fulfilling family responsibilities that they will NOT give up, even at the risk of their own lives.
Yes, perhaps wearing a mask around family would help, but when you’re sitting at table helping your mother or father eat the meal that you have brought over for them, or when you are helping change your mother’s diaper-you’re not necessarily going to wear a mask the entire time (especially when eating or drinking)–and that’s probably all it takes for many of us–that little bit of exposure.
So I think we need to stop blaming “lack of mask wearing” for the spread of the disease. It’s not realistic to wear that mask constantly when you’re helping family. Just not gonna happen.
We wear masks at work…but we take them off in our tiny breakroom when we eat breakfast and lunch. it’s just possible that I caught COVID there, brought it out to my parents-in-law and sister-in-law and my husband and myself. Maybe we should eat in total isolation at work?
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No. I am just saying what I have been saying since February or March.
That mitigation only changes the curve of WHEN the infections arise.
Why not just go back and read?
Pretty much all the conservatives here were saying the same thing.
Masking-up does not “protect” society. Yes it “slows” spread.
Society got it in their mind that social distancing, masking-up, and quarantining HEALTHY people was going to be curative for society.
Common sense said this was wrong.
Mere emotional responses in many cases wouldn’t accept that.
The conservatives here said many times . . .
What’s worse than a virus?
Wrecking the economy AND having to deal with a virus.
It was repeated dozens of times and got blown off.
Society was also given treatment intervention strategies (there were several).
That was laughed at, disparaged, mocked, and ignored.
Studies were commenced that did not address the issue.
Lots of money was made for vaccine companies (I am not saying that was all wrong btw).
Look. This is a terrible mess.
And it is at just the wrong time of year to have to deal with this (we COULD have dealt with it in the summer which MAY have been better. Especially if medication options were seriously explored).
Leftist officials rejected common sense.
Leftist media hid common sense.
And some leftist people fell for it.
The left’s current response?
Double-down on things we know don’t work.
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So you don’t think the death rate would be higher without the restrictions? That’s what I’m trying to find out from you.Motherwit:
No. I am just saying what I have been saying since February or March.
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As best I can tell, he thinks that it doesn’t matter. Restrictions are worse than the virus.
I might be wrong there, but his posts are really unclear. Especially his bizarre beliefs about vaccination not working.
Yes, and the tactic of calling an obscure, niche, seemingly unexplainable viewpoint… ‘common sense’ seems to be new to.Motherwit:
As best I can tell, he thinks that it doesn’t matter. Restrictions are worse than the virus.
I might be wrong there, but his posts are really unclear. Especially his bizarre beliefs about vaccination not working.
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Every thread of your has a political bent. The ones I have read and been involved with.
How can we then, stop this climbing to 10 deaths every minute?
USA is not a third world country. Yet it has the highest global rate.
Get outraged at all this ‘cancel Christmas’ dribble spewing from the mouth of political media.
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Higher WHEN? This week?
What about next week?
The “restrictions” were never meant to be curative.
Flattening the curve just means putting this off.
Go back to Feb. and March and re-read the Government’s own admonitions.
After that, you (not “you” personally but in the sense of society) needed common sense to carry out a plan that would save lives.
Your guys gave us more “restrictions” as a substitute.
It didn’t work.
A couple months ago someone was here telling me how bad things were in the Dakotas.
The implication was places like New Jersey and California had it right.
The Dakota are still open, and now those same people are quiet.
What happened?
Just what I knew would happen.
New Jersey etc. was just going to take a little longer that’s all.
And now it is there for them and all of the others too.
The politicians went along with it pretending they were protecting you and eating up the power for powers sake.
Go to YouTube and watch political satirist JP Sears what he said a day or so ago about power for power’s sake.
He is using satire, to give Anerica a very important message.
Now that the politicians have failed you and not delivered, what do the secularists want to do?
Give the politicians MORE power. Put their trust in princes, and close down more Catholic Churches.
Catholic Churches that the secularists despise. The fullness of Truth to those guys is a stench reminding them of condemnation St. Paul tells us.
Many Catholics did not support the most powerful prayer either – the Mass.
They wanted people to “Stay Home!” and substitute Mass videos.
They “have not because they ask not” St. James would remind us as the secularists put their trust in princes.
I am not saying this is the end of time. It’s not. But there are always little mini prefigurements of such going on up until that great and terrible day.
Go and read CCC 675-677.
See how the Church tells us about people in droves looking for their (wrong) messiah in politics.
The CCC calls it “political messianism”.
The Bible calls it trusting in princes.
It doesn’t work.
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The virus itself is wrecking the economy now unless you are an undertaker, coffin maker,
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2 deaths a minute today.
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If you see it that way fine. You have to call it the way you see it.
I disagree that “every” thread does.
But I am fine with you thinking that.
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Are you fine with 2 deaths a minute?Lockdowns work, ask little backwaters like NZ. I do love NZ.
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Actually humilityseeker.
Christmas is part of the template for dealing with this.
Prayer. Mass. Family prayer. Food together (family meals). Family bonding.
Much of the template for dealing with this has been inappropriately rejected out of hand in my opinion.
So you (not “you” personally) are stuck with MORE leftist policies that will not deliver you.
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Template? Family bonding? Travel? Get togethers?
What do you mean ’ template’.
There you go with politics again. Leftist, rightist who cares. It is not stopping 2 people dying by the time you read this.
Get outraged.
Leaders need to step up to the plate. We all do.
Is travelling worth it, are get togethersworth it, when dothey stop being worth it, 10 deaths a minute?
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I don’t but if you want to think that fine.
But really the thread is not about “me”. OK?
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You haven’t interiorized anything I said to you.
At least that’s what it looks like to me.
So go ahead and think whatever you want. I’m fine with that.
At least that’s what it looks like to me.
So go ahead and think whatever you want. I’m fine with that.
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