Biden warns 'we're likely to lose another 250,000' Americans from coronavirus 'between now and January'

[Cathoholic]

What are we if we reject the empathy of Christ?

Did you not read what I said?

I have no problem with an emotional appeal.

But if it ends there, it is not persuasive.

 

[Cathoholic]

Feel free to start discussing how to stop/slow this spread.

I have already discussed it.

The opposite direction was chosen by leftist politicians and others.

Masking-up, quarantining HEALTHY people, and social distancing is what we have been doing. Remember?

It hasn’t worked. It has been an utter failure.

And if you want to know why, it is because people thought mitigation meant prevention.

And it never has.

But people emotionally morphed it into that.

And it is THESE failed policies that have given us this.

 

[Motherwit]

And if you want to know why, it is because people thought mitigation meant prevention.

And it never has.

You keep saying that as if it’s true. Finland, Denmark, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan. You can ‘non exist’ all those countries till the cows come home but they aren’t going to just disappear.

 

[humilityseeker]

I have already discussed it.

The opposite direction was chosen by leftist politicians and others.

Masking-up, quarantining HEALTHY people, and social distancing is what we have been doing. Remember?

It hasn’t worked. It has been an utter failure.

And if you want to know why, it is because people thought mitigation meant prevention.

And it never has.

But people emotionally morphed it into that.

And it is THESE failed policies that have given us this.

You have not. How do you propose to stop/slow the spread. In dot point to erase emotional persuasion.

All I read is what you dont agree with. That is beside the point in facing the reality of this now.
How do you propose to stop/slow the spread

Not interested in what you wont do to slow it, only interested in what you would do, suggest, to stop it if you were a leader.
Forget operation warp speed and experimental drugs to the masses unless free.

 

[StudentMI]

You keep saying that as if it’s true. Finland, Denmark, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan. You can ‘non exist’ all those countries till the cows come home but they aren’t going to just disappear.

Yes but most Americans can’t locate them on a map so they don’t count.

 

[Cathoholic]

You keep saying that as if it’s true. Finland, Denmark, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan. You can ‘non exist’ all those countries till the cows come home but they aren’t going to just disappear.

Then your still not understanding mitigation.

All you will have to do is follow these places out further in time.

Mitigation has never been presented as a cure.

If it were, they wouldn’t bother with vaccines. “We can just mitigate this away”.

No Motherwit.

Your guys got their way.

They instituted worldwide quarantining of HEALTHY people social distancing and mandated masking-up.

Those have been the policies.

And almost no focus on treatment (which should have been paramount).

And this is the result of those policies.

That is just a fact.

 

[StudentMI]

They instituted worldwide quarantining of HEALTHY people social distancing and mandated masking-up.

Um… Those are how you stop the spread. Quarantining of healthy people along with everyone else.

 

[Cathoholic]

Um… Those are how you stop the spread. Quarantining of healthy people along with everyone else.

Well StudentMI. Keep telling yourself that. Because that is what got us here.

 

[StudentMI]

Well StudentMI. Keep telling yourself that. Because that is what got us here.

I love how after March of this year everyone on the right became a certified expert in stopping the spread of infections.

 

[Cathoholic]

I love how after March of this year everyone on the right became a certified expert in stopping the spread of infections.

Well the right didn’t get their way on this. So you can love it, but it was never applied in a serious manner.

What WAS, was substituting mitigation for treatment.

 

[humilityseeker]

Then your still not understanding mitigation.

Your understanding of what exactly is going on now is going to fall very short if the daily numbers are not informing you.

14 million infected. 100,000 in hospital beds today, 2,800 dead in the last 24 hrs. Allow the figures to start informing you.
1% death rate quoted in the past just doesnt mean anything when a look at the figures reveals just how massive that 1% is.

 

[RootKitWarrior]

Link to what you are talking about please.

US Covid-19 death toll expected to reach 400k by Feb 1 (sify.com)

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[LeafByNiggle]

humilityseeker:

2,800 deaths in the last 24 hrs, 100,000 in hospital.

Infections are skyrocketing.
This is not a position, this is fact. These are real numbers, no sensationalism in these numbers, they are real.

.

You keep repeating figures without an argument behind them.

The argument behind the figures is that this is what our public health officials have reported, and we trust our public health officials on this sort of thing over any other source.

Still no serious trials of HCT using proper cohorts, no serious look at Ivermectin

You are welcome to fund such trials if you wish.

The facts are the policies of MANDATED locking down HEALTHY people

Since there is no way to know for sure that someone is healthy, there are no mandated locking down of known healthy people.

and fake masking reassurances to those people

Masking is not fake, and it has never been promoted as a “reassurance” to anyone in the sense that they can let up in other areas, like hand-washing.

Even Fauci warned against false assurances of masking.

As any public health official should, and does.

 

[Annie]

Cathoholic:

Then your still not understanding mitigation.

Your understanding of what exactly is going on now is going to fall very short if the daily numbers are not informing you.

The original plan of lockdown quarantines was to spread the hospitalizations so hospitals would not be overwhelmed. Instead of having 5000 people sick all at one time in one place, we would “flatten the curve”–remember that?-- and not overwhelm the resources for caring for people.

 

[qui_est_ce]

You can’t double-down on a failure (like Government mandated lockdowns, mandated masking-up, quarantining HEALTHY people and destroying economies and spawning an increase in world hunger not to mention a plethora of domestic problems brought on by these failed policies of mandated Government imposition) and expect it to remedy the problem.

I was just reading an article about why colds and flu increase when the weather gets colder. The explanation was the same one we’ve heard year after year. People spend more time inside. And that’s exactly what we’re told to do to keep from getting COVID. You don’t have to be an expert to see the foolishness of this advice.

 

[Cathoholic]

I was just reading an article about why colds and flu increase when the weather gets colder. The explanation was the same one we’ve heard year after year. People spend more time inside. And that’s exactly what we’re told to do to keep from getting COVID. You don’t have to be an expert to see the foolishness of this advice.

Excellent comment.

Not only that but (mis)using mere “mitigation” as “treatment” set us up for a bigger windfall of cases.

And it is happening in the worst time of year for that windfall of infection.

You and other conservatives were using common sense from the get-go.

Way back in March the conservatives were warning of this telling others that it does not help to destroy the economy AND have viral infections!

What did the others want?

Self safety knowing that a crippled economy would result (reassuring that “economies recover” while ignoring the famine, deaths, and destruction MANDATED mitigations would bring).

And they got their way.

We have treated this with “mitigation” and now they want to double-down on this error.

This will get magnified when the “vaccines” are commonly available and they will be putting even more trust in “princes”.

For now we are left to pray and fast and we will see what happens.

 

[Cathoholic]

Since there is no way to know for sure that someone is healthy

There was no way to know people were “healthy” last year either.

Nor will there be any way to know whether people are healthy in ten years.

Thanks for making my point about some wanting this to be PERMANENT.

 

[Cathoholic]

Not once in any thread of yours or post of yours Cathoholic, have I read any (name removed by moderator)ut from you on how to slow/ stop the spread.

Well go back and re-read them.

I fully admit that mitigation efforts “slow” the spread. I have never denied that (but at what cost? Is the cost of knowingly NOT stopping the virus while simultaneously ruining people’s lives, health, and economies worth it for a “postponement”? Clearly not.)

And I mentioned extensively about strategies to “stop” the spread too.

It’s the other way around humilityseeker. At least with “stopping” the virus.

You are the one that I have not seen offer anything.

 

[billsherman]

Without a vaccine.

In another thread, he was clear that a vaccine won’t help.

I’m fairly sure he is just arguing that COVID isn’t really a problem. People all have to die sometime, right? All other pandemics eventually burned themselves out, right?

I got mine, screw everyone else.

 

[F_Marturana]

I’m old enough to remember the beginning of the AIDS crisis. People protested children who were HIV positive attending school. They were worried about interacting with HIV positive positive people for fear of catching it socially or through casual contact.

Now there’s a disease that can take 2 weeks or so to kill, thousands of dead practically daily for months. We complain about socially distancing and mask wearing.

Total AIDS deaths in the US are 700,000 over the course of 30 years

250.000 covid deaths in seven months.