Births to unmarried U.S. women set record

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MooCowSteph:
It seems easier to pull a check from the government, get food stamps, medicaid, etc., than to get a job, pay daycare, commute, and deal with all of that. They may make the same amount of money once they are done paying daycare, transportation costs, employment costs like uniforms and lunches than they were making on Welfare.
**YES!!! My sis that I posted about earlier- tired of always “being behind”, tried to get a job once in a hospital.

She lasted a week, and had to quit after her gov’t “paper trail” caught up to her…
  1. Her rent (sliding scale) went from $8 a month to over $400
  2. She had to pay for FULL PRICE DAYCARE (while she is in college, it is free)
  3. She lost over 1/2 of her food stamps
  4. She was in the process of loosing her medical card
—You get the point! She would have been over $1000 behind EVERY MONTH!----

She quit, and decided to finish college. She will graduate this spring, but I am worried about what she will do now… Even with a degree, I don’t think she could make enough to support herself and 3 little ones (2 still in daycare- one in 1st gr.) I am afraid she will be forced to sit on her butt for at least 3 more yrs- until her youngest is in school and she dosn’t have to pay daycare.

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Siena said:
**YES!!! My sis that I posted about earlier- tired of always “being behind”, tried to get a job once in a hospital. **

She lasted a week, and had to quit after her gov’t “paper trail” caught up to her…

1. Her rent (sliding scale) went from $8 a month to over $400

2. She had to pay for FULL PRICE DAYCARE (while she is in college, it is free)

3. She lost over 1/2 of her food stamps

4. She was in the process of loosing her medical card


—You get the point! She would have been over $1000 behind EVERY MONTH!----

She quit, and decided to finish college. She will graduate this spring, but I am worried about what she will do now… Even with a degree, I don’t think she could make enough to support herself and 3 little ones (2 still in daycare- one in 1st gr.) I am afraid she will be forced to sit on her butt for at least 3 more yrs- until her youngest is in school and she dosn’t have to pay daycare.

Can’t the local church help her?
Does she not recieve child support…even if he (father) does not pay on time they (State) can garnish his wages and get her the $$ this is what I do…and I always get my $$ each month.
Egads…I really hope that there is another solution than sitting on her butt for the next 3 years…can she not look for a job where perhaps the company has on site daycare?
 
She gets all the help she can. Last year she was on the parish’s advent tree (anonymously, of course) for
X-mas presents. Her ex dh is VERY good about playing the system-switching jobs, etc. to avoid garnesheeing to catch up to him. Unfortunetly, prtty much every action requires a court date- and if you pay even a little bit in the meantime- they let you go. He did serve about a week of jail time, but was right back at it. (It’s not like he makes tons of $ to begin with- so her support isn’t much even before then)

There are just so many things you can do when her need is so great all around.

The point of my post was this- You can encourage someone to get “off the system”, you can train them, you can get them a job. All these things are true- but realistically, there is a huge gap between what the gov’t can provide and what you can “live on” in this society. When the BASIC expenses are so great, it’s VERY EASY to fall through the cracks. You can work your butt off- and still fall way behind. (And I mean dealing with the BAREST necessities). Those with little kids are the most vunerable, b/c of daycare, they are also the one’s who historically need transitional help the most. Help that is just not there.
 
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Siena:
She gets all the help she can. Last year she was on the parish’s advent tree (anonymously, of course) for
X-mas presents. Her ex dh is VERY good about playing the system-switching jobs, etc. to avoid garnesheeing to catch up to him. Unfortunetly, prtty much every action requires a court date- and if you pay even a little bit in the meantime- they let you go. He did serve about a week of jail time, but was right back at it. (It’s not like he makes tons of $ to begin with- so her support isn’t much even before then)

There are just so many things you can do when her need is so great all around.

The point of my post was this- You can encourage someone to get “off the system”, you can train them, you can get them a job. All these things are true- but realistically, there is a huge gap between what the gov’t can provide and what you can “live on” in this society. When the BASIC expenses are so great, it’s VERY EASY to fall through the cracks. You can work your butt off- and still fall way behind. (And I mean dealing with the BAREST necessities). Those with little kids are the most vunerable, b/c of daycare, they are also the one’s who historically need transitional help the most. Help that is just not there.
There is always help you just need to know where to look…it sounds like she is making a move in the right direction…getting her degree etc. It sounds like the Church could perhaps offer her a bit more than being on the Advent Tree for Christmas gifts…:confused:
 
Sienna,

She probably already knows about this but does she get transistional housing assistance? Since she is moving toward employment she may well qualify.

We were able to respond to a homeless shelter call for housing for a mom with four children. The shelter has a grant, or some source of income, that allows them to pay most of the rent. This mother and her children now live in one of our houses for $35.00 a month. The house has four bedrooms. This accomodation has allowed the mom to finish her degree work and start a new career. The subsidy lasts two years. The mom is now talking about maybe buying the house at the end of that period or at least being able to buy some house. If your sister doesn’t know about this program I pray that she look for it.

Men are supposed to protect and defend women. I’m glad that I could have a part in this process.

Dan L
 
Dan-

Thank you for your info! We will look into it. So far- we (her extnded family) have just been trying to help her get through college. Keeping her in a running car has been a challenge!

The next phase, I guess, will start soon- she just found out last week she will have enough credits to grad. in May. :dancing:
 
Karin said:
So the men are not in the wrong here??

Karin,

As I’ve said, it does not matter what we wish were true. If a particular man does not wish to take the responsibility of defending and protecting women then they will be ostracized by the superior women of the world and will be judged by God. In the worst cases the law will punish them.

If women understand their elevated stature in the world they will select only superior men. Even if they err there are many men in the world who will protect and defend them. If women do not understand their status and choose inferior men over and over the consequences of their decision is not incarceration, usually, but poverty and children, or, in our society, the guilt of abortion.

No matter what the situation, Pope John Paul II’s revolutionary insights into the Theology of the Body addresses them in a positive life affirming way. I pray that everyone will get acquainted with his insights.

Dan L
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Karin,

As I’ve said, it does not matter what we wish were true. If a particular man does not wish to take the responsibility of defending and protecting women then they will be ostracized by the superior women of the world and will be judged by God. In the worst cases the law will punish them.

If women understand their elevated stature in the world they will select only superior men. Even if they err there are many men in the world who will protect and defend them. If women do not understand their status and choose inferior men over and over the consequences of their decision is not incarceration, usually, but poverty and children, or, in our society, the guilt of abortion.

No matter what the situation, Pope John Paul II’s revolutionary insights into the Theology of the Body addresses them in a positive life affirming way. I pray that everyone will get acquainted with his insights.

Dan L
Could we not just get rid of the inferior men 😃 perhaps ship them all to some deserted island?(JUST KIDDING)
 
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Karin:
Could we not just get rid of the inferior men 😃 perhaps ship them all to some deserted island?(JUST KIDDING)
Feminism, contraception and divorce has already done just that. (not kidding)
 
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buffalo:
Feminism, contraception and divorce has already done just that. (not kidding)
How have these things gotten rid of “inferior” men? I see them as prehaps creating more inferior men!
 
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Karin:
How have these things gotten rid of “inferior” men? I see them as prehaps creating more inferior men!
Ask any man here that has gone through these things if they feel like they are on a deserted island?
 
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buffalo:
Ask any man here that has gone through these things if they feel like they are on a deserted island?
Lets start with Divorce…how does this create inferior men? Especially if they get an annulment???
 
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Karin:
Lets start with Divorce…how does this create inferior men? Especially if they get an annulment???
Let’s start with the way the courts treats the man with respect to custody, support, visitation, etc…
 
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buffalo:
Let’s start with the way the courts treats the man with respect to custody, support, visitation, etc…
Yes lets…I have gone through this …
In regards to visitation…my ex can see his son any time he wants…now the question is does his son want to see him!!!
In regards to support…I did not ask for or want spousal support but I do get child support. That is a joke less than $400.00/month for a teenager. Considering his father makes very good money (over $50,000) and has no debt.
In regards to custody…I have full custody of my son…I guess my ex could of asked for it but he did not…who knows why? But if his actions since our divorce are any indication it could be becuase he did not want to be burdend with a child.
 
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Karin:
Could we not just get rid of the inferior men 😃 perhaps ship them all to some deserted island?(JUST KIDDING)
Karin,

The problem is inferior men are not created in a vacuum. I really do believe that if men and women both otherstood their created and God blessed roles in life every problem of this sort would be eliminated. That there will always be some who do not or are tricked by pressures from Satan inspired idealogues is a sad fact. However, why would good Catholics be so tricked? I hope that all Churches will read the work by Pope John Paul II in his Theology of the Body and abide by it. Life would be much sweeter for all.

Good women have the privilege of choosing good men. Do it, and don’t succumb to the pressures of having intercourse before marriage or you will have already given up your superior status. There are still many very good men and women in the world. Let’s unite.

Dan L
 
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GregoryPalamas:
Karin,

The problem is inferior men are not created in a vacuum. I really do believe that if men and women both otherstood their created and God blessed roles in life every problem of this sort would be eliminated.
Ok I am going to step in it here but I have to ask…just what are their respective roles?
 
I still believe that 99% of all divorces are uneccesary and damaging to both parties and especially damaging to children. The only thing worse than divorce is shacking up and having children. It all goes back to the Theology of the Body. If women and men took their God given roles seriously there would be neither divorce or shacking up.

Dan L
 
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Karin:
Yes lets…I have gone through this …
In regards to visitation…my ex can see his son any time he wants…now the question is does his son want to see him!!!
In regards to support…I did not ask for or want spousal support but I do get child support. That is a joke less than $400.00/month for a teenager. Considering his father makes very good money (over $50,000) and has no debt.
In regards to custody…I have full custody of my son…I guess my ex could of asked for it but he did not…who knows why? But if his actions since our divorce are any indication it could be becuase he did not want to be burdend with a child.
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GregoryPalamas:
I still believe that 99% of all divorces are uneccesary and damaging to both parties and especially damaging to children. The only thing worse than divorce is shacking up and having children. It all goes back to the Theology of the Body. If women and men took their God given roles seriously there would be neither divorce or shacking up.

Dan L
Dan you have a very strong point here. It all comes back to the lack of Morals, choosing the wrong spouse to begin with, or not even having one at all, abandoning the roles of their gender, having children later raised in broken homes and then in a few short years repeating the cycle
 
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GregoryPalamas:
I still believe that 99% of all divorces are uneccesary and damaging to both parties and especially damaging to children. The only thing worse than divorce is shacking up and having children. It all goes back to the Theology of the Body. If women and men took their God given roles seriously there would be neither divorce or shacking up.

Dan L
I’m in no way a fan of divorce, but what would you consider acceptable reasons for divorce?
 
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