Bishop meeting to avoid gay issue

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From CWN:

The role of the bishops’ conference As the American hierarchy gathers in Chicago, for another meeting of the US bishops’ conference, here a few non-original thoughts:

We must not forget that the episcopal conferences have no theological basis, they do not belong to the structure of the Church, as willed by Christ, that cannot be eliminated; they have only a practical, concrete function.No episcopal conference, as such, has a teaching mission; its documents have no weight of their own save that of the consent given to them by the individual bishops.It happens that with some bishops there is a certain lack of a sense of individual responsibility, and the delegation of his inalienable powers as shepherd and teacher to the structures of the local conference leads to letting what should remain very personal lapse into anonymity.I know bishops who privately confess that they would have decided differently than they did at a conference if they had had to decide by themselves. Who is this critic, who dares to speak ill of the bishops’ conference? His name is Benedict.

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It is waaaay past time for them to openly and honestly address this issue. The problem exists and isn’t going away until they make it go away. I would put this inaction in the same general category as moving problem priests around. Look at the end result of that!
 
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geezerbob:
It is waaaay past time for them to openly and honestly address this issue. The problem exists and isn’t going away until they make it go away. I would put this inaction in the same general category as moving problem priests around. Look at the end result of that!
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Exactly. They refuse to address the issue for what reason?
 
We need to keep pressure on them to finally do the right thing and address this issue.
 
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geezerbob:
It is waaaay past time for them to openly and honestly address this issue. The problem exists and isn’t going away until they make it go away. I would put this inaction in the same general category as moving problem priests around. Look at the end result of that!
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We are on the same page on this. The sooner this issue is faced and brought out into the open, the better it will be for Mother Church. This needs to be openly discussed and not covered up with some PC language.
 
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Because some of them are members of the Lavender Mafia?
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I would think that would be one of the reasons. Other reasons may be they do not have the courage to go against their brother bishops, or they do not want to be seen as too radical, or they are just indifferent or they do not believe homosexuality is a problem in the clergy.
 
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From CWN:

The role of the bishops’ conference As the American hierarchy gathers in Chicago, for another meeting of the US bishops’ conference, here a few non-original thoughts:

We must not forget that the episcopal conferences have no theological basis, they do not belong to the structure of the Church, as willed by Christ, that cannot be eliminated; they have only a practical, concrete function.No episcopal conference, as such, has a teaching mission; its documents have no weight of their own save that of the consent given to them by the individual bishops.It happens that with some bishops there is a certain lack of a sense of individual responsibility, and the delegation of his inalienable powers as shepherd and teacher to the structures of the local conference leads to letting what should remain very personal lapse into anonymity.I know bishops who privately confess that they would have decided differently than they did at a conference if they had had to decide by themselves. Who is this critic, who dares to speak ill of the bishops’ conference? His name is Benedict.

cwnews.com/offtherecord/offtherecord.cfm
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Excellent quote!!! Thanks for sharing! I think he’s absolutely right, there is confusion even with some bishops feeling obliged to bow down to the “authority” of a national bishop’s conference - unfortunately and most notably in matters liturgical.

In my own native diocese in Latin America, where communion in the hand was not allowed until very recently, the bishop had felt “forced” to give in because the national bishop’s conference made a unanimous “pronouncement” on the issue in his view.
 
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From CWN:

The role of the bishops’ conference As the American hierarchy gathers in Chicago, for another meeting of the US bishops’ conference, here a few non-original thoughts:

We must not forget that the episcopal conferences have no theological basis, they do not belong to the structure of the Church, as willed by Christ, that cannot be eliminated; they have only a practical, concrete function.No episcopal conference, as such, has a teaching mission; its documents have no weight of their own save that of the consent given to them by the individual bishops.It happens that with some bishops there is a certain lack of a sense of individual responsibility, and the delegation of his inalienable powers as shepherd and teacher to the structures of the local conference leads to letting what should remain very personal lapse into anonymity.I know bishops who privately confess that they would have decided differently than they did at a conference if they had had to decide by themselves. Who is this critic, who dares to speak ill of the bishops’ conference? His name is Benedict.

cwnews.com/offtherecord/offtherecord.cfm
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Very interesting.
 
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U.S. Catholic bishops will sidestep the issue of whether homosexual men should become priests at their semiannual meeting, which begins tomorrow, despite the Vatican’s concern about the role of homosexuals in the church’s massive sex-abuse scandal.

washtimes.com/national/20050614-114626-2482r.htm
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Looks like the guidelines from 1961 are still in effect.

Unfortunately, the Bishop’s inactions further reinforce my concern that homosexual deviancy is still heavily integrated in the dioceses and among the Bishops and they are still playing the game of how to get away with things rather than owning up to them. Meanwhile, in diocese after diocese, the money of generations of faithful Catholics goes out the door.

I think our only course of action may be to rise up the remnant to implore Rome to take more expedient ane effective action.
 
In another thread I posted the quote 'Sunshine is the best disinfectant." At the time I didn’t have an attribution for the quote. I since learned it was former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis who was named most frequently in a recent article as the greatest Supreme Court Justice in history.

The quote with respect to shedding light on a formerly hidden subject certainly applies here. Given the multi million dollar settlements due to predatory HOMOSEXUALS (not pedophiles) you would think this might be worthy of discussion

Lisa N
 
according to National Catholic Register the US bishops are about to issue new guidelines on seminary formation for the priesthood. if they are ducking the issue of homosexuality isn’t this a waste of time? what am I missing?
 
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according to National Catholic Register the US bishops are about to issue new guidelines on seminary formation for the priesthood. if they are ducking the issue of homosexuality isn’t this a waste of time? what am I missing?
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Well for a start:

How about all the homosexual priests out there now?

How about admitting there is a BIG problem with homosexual priests hitting on young adults over the age of 17?

How about admitting there is a BIG problem with homosexual priests having sex?

The guidelines they are establishing now are to try to avoid the Vatican institutionalizing them themselves.
 
You beat me to it. I was just going to post this article.
This is a sad commentary on our Bishops. Where are the guidelines? There are none.
If this article and document are true, I’m mad as hell.
Hasen’t five years of law suites meant anything?
 
I think I see some hope in that article, here are two critical passages (imo):

*“With regard to the admission of candidates with same-sex experiences and/or inclinations, the guidelines provided by the Holy See must be followed,” says the document “Program of Priestly Formation.”
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Here are the 1961 guidlines, which are the only guidlines available for the Bishops to use (this is also from the article):
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**“Advancement to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty,” reads the directive, which is advisory rather than a binding law. "
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I think it is quite probable that the Bishops know what they must do, yet they do not want to draw great attention to it because the media and gay groups will eat them for lunch if they make it too public.
 
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Sirach14:
You beat me to it. I was just going to post this article.
This is a sad commentary on our Bishops. Where are the guidelines? There are none.
If this article and document are true, I’m mad as hell.
Hasen’t five years of law suites meant anything?
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Quite honestly I think a major reason is that the Church has not accepted the reality that this is a HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEM. It is not a few mentally ill pedophiles preying upon children. It is a group of unchaste homosexuals doing what unchaste homosexuals do, and that is engage in sex. Hello? Anyone home?

As long as the Church pretends this is not a result of homosexuality in the priesthood and foists the blame off to mentally ill pedophiles, they will never face the issue.

Lisa N
 
Lisa,

Do not forget that Bishops were once Priests and many Priests are known to be gay…connect the dots.
 
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TPJCatholic:
Lisa,

Do not forget that Bishops were once Priests and many Priests are known to be gay…connect the dots.
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Yes I understand that. But they of all should know that having SSA does not mean you engage in homosexual activity. IOW if there are homosexual priests who are chaste they should want to eradicate those who are making their lives even more difficult. If they are not chaste they should leave.

Lisa N
 
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