Bishop Morlino Sacks Dissident Feminist Pastoral Associate, Elicits Rage from Liberal Community

[Br_Mark]

Dear Maggie May 2u

Sorry the links did not work; try googling 1) Part 4 Chapter 4 (D) from madness to hope El Salvadore. 2) Third world traveler School of Americas terrorism. and 3) School of Americas Watch. As to Bishop Morlino connection with the SOA they are his own words not mine and his statmednt that the SOA has never done anything wrong. Google Milwaukee Journel.

CradleCath,

Since you live near Conception Abbey, Conception MO you most likely know that the relationship between the abbey and the bishop of the Co-Diocese is strained (to put it nicely) Yes Iam a Brother / Monk and I live in a faternal community of the afore mentioned abbey.

I think it might be helful to reread last sundays gospel, especially John 3:20-21; “For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come towards the light, so that his works might not be exposed. But whoever lives the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be clearly seen as in God.”

Br Mark, OSB

 

[CradleCath]

Weakland was never associated with Madison. He’s the former archbishop of Milwaukee.

Oh Wow!! When I goof, I REALLY goof…I’m embarrassed!!!


What can I say. Both diocese begin with M.?? :doh2:

 

[maggiemay2u]

Dear Maggie pie,

Sorry the links did not work; try googling 1) Part 4 Chapter 4 (D) from madness to hope El Salvadore. 2) Third world traveler School of Americas terrorism. and 3) School of Americas Watch. As to Bishop Morlino connection with the SOA they are his own words not mine and his statmednt that the SOA has never done anything wrong. Google Milwaukee Journel.

Regarding your continued desire to derail this post…I reviewed the links I could find. There was a lot of supposition and allegation. What was missing was hardcore proof. The word alleged was present, the words “conclusive evidence”, conspicuously absent, as was ANY reference to Bishop Morlino.

Please provide the QUOTE, the CONTEXT and the LINK, wherein you have conclusive evidence that Bishop Morlino was aware of any crimes as actually having been committed. The words you have provided thus far, not quotes BTW, merely assert what may be his belief. To read, and by implication have others read something sinister into baseless supposition is libel, uncharitable and un Christ like. I don’t know about your community, but my OSB buds in California desert, the plains of Kansas, and the Southside of Chicago, don’t operate that way. Please prove it, or stop. Please.

I think it might be helful to reread last sundays gospel, especially John 3:20-21; “For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come towards the light, so that his works might not be exposed. But whoever lives the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be clearly seen as in God.”

My friend, I pray all dissidents will be saved from the influence of the evil one, who has beguiled and misdirected them, and they do indeed, come to The Light.

Br Mark, OSB

 

[maggiemay2u]

Dear Maggie pie,

Sorry the links did not work; try googling 1) Part 4 Chapter 4 (D) from madness to hope El Salvadore. 2) Third world traveler School of Americas terrorism. and 3) School of Americas Watch. As to Bishop Morlino connection with the SOA they are his own words not mine and his statmednt that the SOA has never done anything wrong. Google Milwaukee Journel.

Regarding your continued desire to derail this post…I reviewed the links I could find. There was a lot of supposition and allegation. What was missing was hardcore proof. The word alleged was present, the words “conclusive evidence”, conspicuously absent, as was ANY reference to Bishop Morlino.

Please provide the QUOTE, the CONTEXT and the LINK, wherein you have conclusive evidence that Bishop Morlino was aware of any crimes as actually having been committed. The words you have provided thus far, not quotes BTW, merely assert what may be his belief. To read, and by implication have others read something sinister into baseless supposition is libel, uncharitable and un Christ like. I don’t know about your community, but my OSB buds in California desert, the plains of Kansas, and the Southside of Chicago, don’t operate that way. Please prove it, or stop. Please.

I think it might be helful to reread last sundays gospel, especially John 3:20-21; “For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come towards the light, so that his works might not be exposed. But whoever lives the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be clearly seen as in God.”

My friend, I pray all dissidents will be saved from the influence of the evil one, who has beguiled and misdirected them, and they do indeed, come to The Light.

Br Mark, OSB

 

[maggiemay2u]

duplicate, sorry

 

[Ender]

Aside from the fact this matter in and of itself is OFF TOPIC, the implication to Bishop Morlino belonging or having more than a pastoral relationship with with an organization that supports right wing terrorists is unmistakable. It is uncharitable and libelous, which, unless I miss my guess, was the reason for the umbrage among posters.

In one sense this is off topic but in another it is an eloquent demonstration that the charge made in title of the thread is quite accurate.

Ender

 

[JReducation]

Let us remember that one does not have to be a “liberal” to experience disappointment in the actions of a bishop. Even if one’s disappointment is for the wrong reasons, it may not be a sign of liberalism. It may also be a sign of attachments to people.

Not knowing this pastoral associates, I have no idea how many who expressed anger or disappointment werel liberals or simply people who felt some bond with this person. There are people who whether they are on the right side of the street or not can be very charismatic and have a following that is more attached to the individual than the ideas that they espouse. Therefore, they’ll come out to root for this person,no so much for their positions, if you know what I mean.

Fraternally,

JR

 

[maggiemay2u]

In one sense this is off topic but in another it is an eloquent demonstration that the charge made in title of the thread is quite accurate.

Ender

 

[killyclogher]

How about being church not my way or even your way but how about trying to be church, Christ’s way for a change.

I’d be interested on your views on how “church” should be…?

 

[pnewton]

However, let us remember that one does not have to be a “liberal” to experience disappointment in the actions of a bishop. Even if one’s disappointment is for the wrong reasons, it may not be a sign of liberalism. It may also be a sign of attachments to people.

I think we would be surprised at how many people give no thought at all to some of the stuff we fret about so much. Some are apathetic. Some are also very spiritual and dedicate their time and energy to the things that matter most. We must not be so busy worrying about the dirty house that we miss the time to sit at the feet of Jesus.

It’s the Mary and Martha thing.

 

[Ender]

With all due respect I find your report unbelievable; especially when you say you can visit the school in question, since the SOA is located inside of Ft Benning , a US Army base.

There is no doubt that access to military installations has been much more tightly controlled since 9/11 but I believe that WHINSEC still allows visitors although it would undoubtedly require prior approval. I will also point out that “Father” Roy Bourgeios, who started SOA Watch, was annually invited to tour the school, an invitation he never accepted and which appears to be standard behavior for those who oppose the school.

Here is an excerpt from the report of the (public) June 2003 Board of Visitors meeting:

The U.S. Army and WHINSEC invited numerous NGOs – including ones historically critical of the Institute – to attend the Board session, and not one accepted. The Board urged WHINSEC to continue to issue invitations
fido.gov/facadatabase/docs_meetings/2003-12170-116464_Minutes_(2003-10-15-9-25-24).DOC

Yes one of the sites above goes through the manuels of the SOA and no my friend they are not Boy Scout manuels.

This is the one allegation that has merit; there were statements in about seven manuals (I’m relying on memory here) that were identified as inappropriate and were removed. This goes back at least to the early 90’s when the army conducted its own investigation and uncovered the statements. I will point out to you yet again that those manuals are no longer are used as the school that used them no longer exists.

I know what has been alleged against the SOA and my investigations have led me to believe that, except for a few offending sentences in some of the training manuals, absolutely none of the charges have merit. Are you aware of anything that has even been alleged against WHINSEC?

Ender

 

[mystified]

Cheers and God Bless for the Bishop! We need more episcopal backbone in the church.
Call to Action and just about anything from the National Catholic Distorter needs to be seen for what it is: disagreement with the teaching of the church of not outright opposition.

 

[Soutane]

Cheers and God Bless for the Bishop! We need more episcopal backbone in the church.
Call to Action and just about anything from the National Catholic Distorter needs to be seen for what it is: disagreement with the teaching of the church of not outright opposition.

Smoke of Satan,anyone?

 

[Rocky8311]

I heard, on good authority, that years ago a whole BUNCH of people had to be baptized “again” because they were baptized with gender-inclusive, PC jargon (such as “parent” in place of “Father”) when Bishop Morlino took over.

Praise God, I’ve previously wondered whether such people, baptized improperly are ever taken care of. There’s been a problem like this in Australia somewhere.

 

[Rocky8311]

Time to start taking these dissidents to the “woodshed”. How much longer to we have to wait for the start of public proclamations of Excommunications.

Yeah but I wonder how many we’d lose along with them and whether we can keep them from calling their pseudo-Churches “Catholic”.

 

[Rocky8311]

We are told that we can judge the goodness of something by it’s fruits. In the case of Bishop Morlino, it appears that the “fruit” is highly questionable. The number of Catholics filling the pews of approved catholic parishes are going down while at the same time the numbers are increasing of those who are attending Catholic Cell groups and other alternative Catholic groups not under the authority of Bishop Morlino, which are being served by Catholic Priests; without the permission of Bishop Morlino and under the threath of his wrath.

Brother, please cite some proof. The only fruit I’ve seen reported is good. If the number of real Catholics in his diocese are now be realized to be lower than previously thought, then that’s unfortunate. Perhaps by fostering better catechesis, the next generation will return.

But I feel like this article tells everything I need to know about the man. The woman he had to let go clearly made a choice to not embrace the Catholic faith, and as such has no place in authority or on the payroll. It’s very reasonable.

 

[Rocky8311]

Again, you are assuming that the aforementioned “brother” is a bona fide religious.

He’s innocent until proven guilty of lying about it. Perfection of charity, as the other brother said, would improve this discussion.

 

[Rocky8311]

Dear Corki & Irishpatrick,

neither of you have answered the primary question of why these outstanding bishops have ties to right wing groups ?? It is not a matter of disliking a bishop, but a matter of questioning motives and approach to authority. Remember until the resent past a bishop needed the accent of belivers in the diocese. Bishop Morlino operates in a vaccume and does not even consult with his fellow priest or the lay menbers of the diocese.

Br Mark, OSB

First, “right-wing group” itself doesn’t immediately bear a negative connotation to orthodox Catholics. You’ll have to explain more specifically what you mean. You’ll have to list some other bishops and detail their specific associations that bother your Catholic sensibilities, and why. If Morlino didn’t repudiate Latin American militants, I might be concerned, but he did, and his other works are reassuring.

I don’t know what point of view you come from. I think it’s more significant that illegitimate fringe “catholic” groups have such strong ties to left-wing political groups. Socialist and anti-life associations are more antithetical to Catholicism than, say, conservative political ties. But I have a feeling you mean something further-right than American Republicans.

 

[Rocky8311]

It is not a matter of disliking a bishop, but a matter of questioning motives and approach to authority.

Please paint a picture. Do you have some articles to cite? I can agree that even an orthodox, hard-line bishop could be doing a bad job while having some promising stories like this in the news. Make a case, though.

Remember until the [recent] past a bishop needed the [assent] of [believers] in the diocese. Bishop Morlino operates in a [vacuum] and does not even consult with his fellow priest or the lay [members] of the diocese.

Hmm. I’m not sure what your point is. In my cursory study of Catholic history, I don’t know any times where popular choice of Bishops worked out well. It’s a system that I’m glad is gone. It wouldn’t work in this culture. Catholics aren’t faithful. Dioceses would be likely to go into overt schism after choosing their bishops. People need bishops who will teach them right and take care of priests and lay administrators who would lead people astray.

 

[Rocky8311]

…when Bishop Williamson voiced his opinion on the holocaust ; there were many people here that defended his position.

The only people “here” are the people in this thread. Are you saying that some of the participants of this thread defended Williamson? We aren’t responsible for the words of other people. I would vote to see Holocaust deniers purged from the forum. If you witnessed this behavior, you should be expressing your views to a forum administrator. I’d support you in it.