Bishop responds to Boy Scouts' decision on admission of homosexual members [CWN]

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BroomWagon said:
The Church already does more than enough for homosexuals. They don’t need to do more at risk to the Holy Mother Church. Yes, this is an area we need to improve on. All of us.
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So we do fear the Church can’t stand if it risks evangelizing?

Not even the gates of hell shall prevail…
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
Yeah, you can let the Catechism speak for itself. Nothing the Bishop said contradicts the Catechism in any way. Same-sex attraction is not immoral. Those were his words. True words.
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Homosexual attraction is objectively disordered.

Heterosexual attraction is not.

Perhaps the phrase “objectively disordered” needs clarified for the good bishop.
 
HansTrappist said:
Homosexual attraction is objectively disordered.

Heterosexual attraction is not.

Perhaps the phrase “objectively disordered” needs clarified for the good bishop.
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Does scouts allow discussing of sexual oriented attractions? :rolleyes:
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
So we do fear the Church can’t stand if it risks evangelizing?

Not even the gates of hell shall prevail…
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I don’t think it is going to be allowed to evangelize. The foreseeable problem I feel will be that evangelizing will be labeled as ‘hate’ speech.
 
Sonic said:
So, you’re saying because we’re all sinners, therefore we all accept and live sinful lifestyles?
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No, I have not said that.

Are those sinful lifestyles going to be allowed to be promoted within the scouts? No. No more than they allow any sexual promotion. That’s not what scouts are about.
 
johnnyc176 said:
I don’t think it is going to be allowed to evangelize. The foreseeable problem I feel will be that evangelizing will be labeled as ‘hate’ speech.
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Does that stop us from conveying the love of Christ that is within us? Isn’t that the greatest form of evangelizing?
 
Razanir said:
Actually, you’re wrong. While, yes, SSA is disordered, it is not inherently sinful. Just like with heterosexual attraction…
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No, it’s not “just like with heterosexual attraction”.

It is completely different.

Heterosexual attraction is built right into nature.

Homosexual attraction was not. It is objectively disordered, in the same way that being attracted to animals is objectively disordered.

Homosexual attraction is a choice.

Pornography is the key to unlocking this issue. Their is a progression in the fantasies of sex addicts: opposite sex, then heterosexual sex, then bisexual sex, then pedophilia and the violent forms of sex. Once a tolerance is reached, the addict goes looking for a more “pure” high, and what was previously taboo becomes the norm.
 
Posted on the Baptists for Scouting Facebook Page:

Readers of our page, I have official information from the BSA that you will all find interesting and enlightening. I sent questions to the Community Alliances Office, and they forwarded them to the legal team. They have confirmed my analysis as correct, and this will help Baptist churches as we move forward in the days ahead.
  1. Sexual activity among Scout aged youth is prohibited. A scout in violation of this may come under the discipline of the unit and could be expelled from scouting. BSA is crafted a Code of Conduct, but charter organizations may craft their which are even stricter so long as they do not contradict BSA policy.
  2. While a youth’s perceived sexual orientation may not be used to refuse him membership, if he acts on that orientation and/or his behavior becomes a distraction to the unit or causes problems for the reputation of the charter organization, he may be dismissed from the unit.
  3. No charter organization or BSA unit is required to accept as morally straight a homosexual lifestyle contrary to the stated teachings of the church.
  4. Unit leaders may seek in every appropriate way to model and instruct youth regarding the benefits and propriety of heterosexual marriage with the goal and aim of helping all youth appreciate and appropriate that lifestyle as their own system of moral values.
facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Baptists-for-Scouting/83072677173?fref=ts
 
Some Protestant, mostly it looks like Baptist takes on this:
… He recently explained that his church could not in good conscience support the acceptance of sinful behavior.
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“We don’t hate anybody,” Shaw told reporters. “We’re not doing it out of hatred. The teachings of the Scripture are very clear on this. We’re doing it because it violates the clear teaching of Scripture.”
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Pastor Tim Hester of Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, Kentucky met with his board of elders recently, which likewise decided not to renew its charter with the Boy Scouts.
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“Truly for us it’s a logical decision,” he said. “We cannot be distracted from the mission God has called us to.”
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Hester noted, however, that the charter would be discontinued regardless of the results of the vote, but did not elaborate.
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Pastor Ernest Easley of Roswell Street Baptist Church in Marietta, Georgia said that his church would no longer support the Scouts either.
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“If we’re a church that affirms God’s word as the inerrant word of God that we’re going to live by, that we’re going to raise our families by, that we’re going to do church by, then it may be sad, but it’s a simple decision,” Easley continued. “We are not going to put our arms around organizations that openly oppose the moral guidelines taught in God’s word.”
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“Baptists have stayed where they should and Scouts have left us,” Frank Page, president of the Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee and a former scout, told reporters. “We believe there is an objective right and an objective wrong.”
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christiannews.net/2013/06/01/churches-boot-boy-scouts-for-lifting-ban-on-openly-homosexual-members/
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I’ve got to say, they are acting very commendable.
 
Sonic said:
But you made a statement and then questioned it… leaving it open to interpretation…

Want to clarify?
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I have clarified by saying No. It’s no longer ‘open for interpretation.’ Why even try to make it so?

Clarify what? We’re all sinners. Christ came for the sinners, and not the righteous. Some seem to make themselves righteous over those who openly sin, and are non believers. We should be evangelizing them, and not separating ourselves and the Gospels from them. If we can’t guide our own children in right, then maybe we shouldn’t try and guide non believers who openly sin. Maybe that’s an invincible ignorance on their part. 🤷
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Does scouts allow discussing of sexual oriented attractions? :rolleyes:
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There is no such thing as sexual orientation. It is a demonic contrivance of Materialism.

Why would a Scout even waste his/her time on this conjuration in the first place?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I think there may very well be a danger in dropping sponsorship of scout troops, not being thought of. It leaves secular groups open to stepping in to sponsor troops.

However well the intentions, Christ did not separate Himself from the sinners of His time, much less the innocents that associated with the sinners.
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It would seem that starting a new Catholic org would be exactly following the model of Christ.

He founded a new Church and drew all the faithful into it. He left Judaism behind, which did end up being taken over by the Pharisees.

You are quite correct, He did not separate Himself from the sinners, He created a new organization, one with a deeper understanding of how to be Faithful to His Word, and called everyone into it.

That seems to be what is happening now.

Christ’s command was not to remain Jews else the Pharisees will take over, but leave that behind and enter into a new organization.

Thanks, you just offered a great argument for leaving the BSA.

Remember, the goal for Catholic parents is not to focus on the health of the BSA, but the health and well being of their children. If the BSA suits their needs, great, but no parent should be called to avoid doing what is best for their children simply because it would benefit the BSA.
 
HansTrappist said:
There is no such thing as sexual orientation. It is a demonic contrivance of Materialism.

Why would a Scout even waste his/her time on this conjuration in the first place?
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The point is, the scouts do not allow discussing sexual attractions, one way or another; whether one is legitimate and the other isn’t. It’s not allowed.
 
Brendan said:
It would seem that starting a new Catholic org would be exactly following the model of Christ.

He founded a new Church and drew all the faithful into it. He left Judaism behind, which did end up being taken over by the Pharisees.

You are quite correct, He did not separate Himself from the sinners, He created a new organization, one with a deeper understanding of how to be Faithful to His Word, and called everyone into it.

That seems to be what is happening now.

Christ’s command was not to remain Jews else the Pharisees will take over, but leave that behind and enter into a new organization.

Thanks, you just offered a great argument for leaving the BSA.

Remember, the goal for Catholic parents is not to focus on the health of the BSA, but the health and well being of their children. If the BSA suits their needs, great, but no parent should be called to avoid doing what is best for their children simply because it would benefit the BSA.
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He created a new organization, and ALL were invited. That is the place of authority, where correction is offered. It is being changed with the idea of separation. The Church does not teach that.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
He created a new organization, and ALL were invited. That is the place of authority, where correction is offered. It is being changed with the idea of separation. The Church does not teach that.
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Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you.
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All kinds of verses really stand out from the Bible on this matter. But in the end, I would go with obedience to the Church, I would have to see if we are going to be talking about “nationally” or “locally”, but I would obey the Church.
 
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