Bishop responds to Boy Scouts' decision on admission of homosexual members [CWN]

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BroomWagon said:
All kinds of verses really stand out from the Bible on this matter. But in the end, I would go with obedience to the Church, I would have to see if we are going to be talking about “nationally” or “locally”, but I would obey the Church.
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If we took that verse as you seem to use it, we shouldn’t share the Gospels with any sinners, or non believers more specifically. Don’t you see how that would put the Gospels in contradiction with each other; e.g. the great commission?
 
Sonic said:
psst Come real close so you can hear me…

I didn’t understand your original statement. 🤷
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Condescension does not validate a point, if there is a point. :rolleyes:

The answer was in what you cut out of the quote you used.

We’re all sinners. Christ came for the sinners, and not the righteous. Some seem to make themselves righteous over those who openly sin, and are non believers. We should be evangelizing them, and not separating ourselves and the Gospels from them. If we can’t guide our own children in right, then maybe we shouldn’t try and guide non believers who openly sin. Maybe that’s an invincible ignorance on their part.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
If we took that verse as you seem to use it, we shouldn’t share the Gospels with any sinners, or non believers more specifically. Don’t you see how that would put the Gospels in contradiction with each other; e.g. the great commission?
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But the Holy Roman Catholic Church has had to take care of the Bible very much from those who in history and in this day and age, do misinterpret it in turn.
 
BroomWagon said:
But the Holy Roman Catholic Church has had to take care of the Bible very much from those who in history and in this day and age, do misinterpret it in turn.
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And the Holy Catholic Church teaches:
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
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2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
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2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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Is the Church teaching against the interpretation you seem to be presenting?

Nowhere does it teach ‘separation.’
 
ProdigalSon1: I see an issue here as “accepting homosexuality”, note this excerpt from the National Catholic Reporter (hope we can post from there here, anyway, I still think this is a good point the Reverend from Va. makes).
At St. Joseph’s Catholic Church in Richmond, Va., the Rev. Robert Novokowsky watched the program alongside his parish’s troop leaders.
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“The proposed changes are such that they will lead inevitably not only to acceptance of open homosexuality but also the tacit approval of that sinful lifestyle,” Novokowsky said. “That’s where compassion must draw a line. We cannot promote something we’ve defined as a sin.”
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ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/catholics-split-proposed-gay-boy-scouts-change
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Prodigal_Son1 said:
Condescension does not validate a point, if there is a point. :rolleyes:
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There wasn’t a point. I didn’t understand your original statement and posted too quickly. You replied before I could edit.

The last post was was an attempt at levity and not condescension. Now let it be.
 
BroomWagon said:
ProdigalSon1: I see an issue here as “accepting homosexuality”, note this excerpt from the National Catholic Register:
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Then the Church should turn all sinners away? No. Being we are all sinners is not an acceptance of our sins by the Church. The Catechism is quite clear.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Then the Church should turn all sinners away? No. Being we are all sinners is not an acceptance of our sins by the Church. The Catechism is quite clear.
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Sinners can be accepted, but not the Sin. This could cause others to sin. Now, the Scout stipulation is to be “openly homosexual”, that is being cooperative with sin. That is rather clear. A young man, boy can still become a scout, he does not have to be openly homosexual. Yes, I guess there could be some scenarios where it is “known” a Scout is gay so is openly gay.
 
Bless you, an early day tomorrow. Have a good discussion, it is fascinating and obviously, some Catholics as in the Reporter article do see this as a good thing: ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/catholics-split-proposed-gay-boy-scouts-change

OOOPS, I have made this mistake before, this is NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER, apologies, still, an informative article.

If in an earlier post I said different, obviously, I’m wrong and need to clear that up, so let the reader decide.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Does scouts allow discussing of sexual oriented attractions? :rolleyes:
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To be fair, that’s what this whole discussion has been doing (from before the vote to afterwards). Not only are the adults talking about it, but you know parents are having to discuss this with their kids. It may not be officially allowed or part of the normal scout activities, but that is what is going on despite what is allowed or not allowed.
 
Brendan said:
Remember, the goal for Catholic parents is not to focus on the health of the BSA, but the health and well being of their children. If the BSA suits their needs, great, but no parent should be called to avoid doing what is best for their children simply because it would benefit the BSA.
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Correct! Charity begins at home! 👍
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
Hard to embrace an organization that expressly discriminates against Jews, however.
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And Jews would just love to belong to an expressly CHRISTIAN youth group? The BSA are not against Jews…they are for boys who want to interact with other Christian boys…exclusively. What organization do you embrace?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
He created a new organization, and ALL were invited. That is the place of authority, where correction is offered. It is being changed with the idea of separation. The Church does not teach that.
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Yes, He created an org where everyone in it is Catholic, and gave them a mandate for them to go out and encourage everyone to leave their other orgs behind and join this new 100% Catholic org.

Sounds like a great plan to me 👍
 
pnewton said:
Perhaps I should have capitalized The Enemy, as in the one who is behind the sexualization and ultimate destruction of our society. This scouting issue is but one front in the war of making all sexual activity acceptable and the idea of sin obsolete. For adults, then young adults, it was, “if it feels good, do it.” Now for children, the message is that you can’t help how you are so just go with it. It’s all “perfectly normal.”
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That’s a great post and great train of thought PNewton, you are very knowledgeable here, way beyond myself.
 
Brendan said:
Yes, He created an org where everyone in it is Catholic, and gave them a mandate for them to go out and encourage everyone to leave their other orgs behind and join this new 100% Catholic org.

Sounds like a great plan to me 👍
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So, in separating ourselves from others, please explain how we’re calling them to leave other organizations and come to His? :rolleyes:
 
Pope Francis condemns gay marriage, yet kissed the feet of aids patients. It certainly doesn’t seem he is teaching separation, in my opinion.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Pope Francis condemns gay marriage, yet kissed the feet of aids patients. It certainly doesn’t seem he is teaching separation, in my opinion.
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It is an act of corporal mercy to visit the sick. Perhaps we should not say this is about “separation”, too, we should not be “cooperating with sin”, the Holy Father was not cooperating with sin in showing merciful treatment of the afflicted but Catholic/Christian charity.
 
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