Bishop Robert Carlson - Sioux Falls

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We formerly lived in the Saginaw diocese…have been in the Gaylord diocese for the past 14 years now. Believe me, it is much, much better than what we experienced downstate. Our parish has a full-time deacon, and luckily a retired priest to say Mass on the weekends. Our deacon (and the retired priest!) are wonderful.

I believe our bishop will be retirement age in 5-6 years, so I’m sure we’ll see more changes, as well.
 
Wow. My experience in the Gaylord Diocese was directly opposite of ekindermann’s.

At the Mass I attended, a deacon and priest presided. They incensed the altar as part of the processional and rang the Sanctus bells at the Consecration.

There was a crucifix and they had kneelers, and we used them. (Although some folks stood, I admit.)

Good God, it was almost like being Catholic again!
 
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saggal:
There was a crucifix and they had kneelers, and we used them. (Although some folks stood, I admit.)

Good God, it was almost like being Catholic again!
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Yes, It is true that there are more orthodox parishes (or should I say obedient, or what?) in Gaylord. My point above was that the Saginaw thinking was definitely on its way in to Gaylord. As a school principal I was required to attend the “educational” development classes, or whatever they were called. I know first hand that there was improper/borderline bad catechesis going on.

It depends upon the parish. I think the folks in Gaylord were wisened up by the time some of this stuff began creeping up there - Look at the Marian Peace Center and the great conferences at Boyne. Look at the fight up at … the parish they tried to rip up, but the folks fought it. It was Barb’s Smith’s parish I’m pretty sure. St. Francis Petoskey??? Those folks knew what was going on and were able to intervene before it was too late.

When we first moved here, 20 years ago. The old church was being replaced by a new one. Being a lapsed Catholic (my own fault) I wasn’t aware enough to say, “whaddya mean there will be these really large nice cushy chairs, but no kneelers?!”

:blessyou: Beth K.
 
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FatherTodd:
Hang in there. Virtue takes a long time to instill but vice travels rather rapidly.

I can assure you, barring a major change in Bishop Carlson I don’t know about, that he is working to bring things in line with Church teaching. We don’t know what obstacles he faces though. I suppose we should pray harder.
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Or could it be that things are much more in line with church teaching than some in these forums are willing to admit?
 
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frommi:
Or could it be that things are much more in line with church teaching than some in these forums are willing to admit?
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Ah, if only that were true.
 
By the way, Beth. I just re-read some previous posts and I believe that congrats are in order. So . . . . CONGRATULATIONS! I miss the days when I was raising my kids. I loved being home with them. Now I get to enjoy my beautiful grandson, and the fact that he lives on the next farm over makes it that much sweeter.
 
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By the way, Beth. I just re-read some previous posts and I believe that congrats are in order. So . . . . CONGRATULATIONS!
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Thanks, Singer, as you now know, our little babe has gone on to Heaven before us, but thank you for your kind words. Life is so precious.:love: :blessyou: Beth
 
Beth, I’m so sorry, I didn’t know. A dear friend of mine sent this card when we lost our baby.
“Saints and angels dance and sing, while we cry.” For me, it was a great comfort.
I will keep you and your family in prayer.
 
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frommi:
Or could it be that things are much more in line with church teaching than some in these forums are willing to admit?
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Of which church’s teaching do you speak…The Church (i.e. Rome) or the “Saginaw church”?

While even I suspect that some here may be guilty of slight exaggeration for effect, the fact still remains that the Diocese is in need of greater conformity with the Holy See. There has been plenty of objective evidence provided to support this.

Some in these forums just aren’t willing to accept it.
 
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msproule:
Of which church’s teaching do you speak…The Church (i.e. Rome) or the “Saginaw church”?

While even I suspect that some here may be guilty of slight exaggeration for effect, the fact still remains that the Diocese is in need of greater conformity with the Holy See. There has been plenty of objective evidence provided to support this.

Some in these forums just aren’t willing to accept it.
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While I suppose we could discuss the theology of what a local church is and is not…I think the better question would be to ask what exactly is conformity? Even in a diocese considered by some to be ‘orthodox’, I find it difficult to believe that everything is done in a uniform manner by all bishops, priests, laity, etc.

I will say this over and over again…nothing the former ordinary of the Saginaw diocese did EVER caused a break in communion with Rome.
 
Maybe there is no official break from Rome, but I don’t like what I’m seeing in some of the Saginaw priests. I’m talking about filthy language, nasty dispostitions, off color jokes at the end of mass. We may not have broken from Rome, but many of our parishioners have left our parish because of our pastor. He is not the only one. We have many fine priests in the Saginaw diocese, but we have many who should not be in the priesthood. Those ordained under the former bishop seem to fit a mold.
 
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frommi:
While I suppose we could discuss the theology of what a local church is and is not…
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We already have. It may have been earlier in this same thread or a related one. Nevertheless, the local ordinary must still ultimately answer to Rome. That is, he must be in conformity with the regulations set forth by the Holy See.
I think the better question would be to ask what exactly is conformity? Even in a diocese considered by some to be ‘orthodox’, I find it difficult to believe that everything is done in a uniform manner by all bishops, priests, laity, etc.
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No argument from me on this point. But conformity does not always mean uniformity. In a related thread, you made this contradictory statement:“The truth is that no matter how you want to cut it, the presbyerate of the diocese of saginaw is highly educated and teaches ‘truth’. The fact that you don’t agree with things doesn’t make them any less true.”

This suggests that both uniformity (by referring to the entire “presbyterate”) and conformity (by using the word “truth”) exist in the Diocese of Saginaw. That is, unless there are more than one truth.
 
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frommi:
While I suppose we could discuss the theology of what a local church is and is not…[/qiote]
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msproule:
We already have. It may have been earlier in this same thread or a related one. Nevertheless, the local ordinary must still ultimately answer to Rome. That is, he must be in conformity with the regulations set forth by the Holy See.
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See posts #551 - #571 on this thread. Yourself, fix and I all pointed to the false conception of the Church being peddled by frommi and provided evidence to support this.

This has been my contention all along, frommi, that you not open to real dialogue which contains at least the possibility of admitting to error. Despite all the efforts to convince you, in charity, that you have this false conception of the Church you persist in repeating ad nauseam your mantra about local churches. Hence you concept of dialogue is simply to browbeat others into your conception by constant repetition. If you tell a big enough lie often enough people might just believe you. And finally you resort to name calling and snide put downs when people fail to acknowledge your infallibile grasp of the “truth”.

I guess dialogue is not what you really want at all so why keep asking for it?
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singerlady:
Our parish is still fairly heterodox. The bishop did say at our Main street meeting, that we wanted to go over the GIRM with the priests before making any changes. He is supposed to do that some time this fall.
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On a related note, after exchanging a couple letters with our busy new bishop, I did get a letter from him confirming that he accepts the CCC as containing no errors, nor was he ever of the opinion that it ever did contain errors.
If he could only convict a majority of the priests of the diocese of the same !

**Also, note that my former parish in Bay City is planning a year-long calendar of events leading up to the centenary anniversary next August. There is nothing spiritual in the list, it’s all Polka masses, sweets, and coffee after Mass.

From my vantage point, it’s going to be a perfect record of not having Bible reading and discussion in the parish for straight 100 years.**
 
It looks like progress is being made! I see in this weekend’s bulletin from St. Mary Cathedral that 2nd and 3rd graders are being asked to make their first reconcilation now. It had been that these children weren’t making their first reconciliation until fourth grade, two years after they made their first Eucharist.

This is one more step in the right direction!
 
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