Bishop Robert Carlson - Sioux Falls

[River_Glorious]

Our priest didn’t go into detail about the convocation but this is what he said in today’s bulletin

*The Convocation at Crystal Mountain was the most interesting I have ever attended. The topics were centered on our worship and our new Bishop’s views regarding that worship. There is too much to report on for this column, but I will put a little information in several bulletins to come. To begin with, the Bishop had high praise for many of the parishes he has visted. He believes we worship well, that music is very good, that parishioners very reverently receive the Eucharist, etc. At the same time, he also has many areas where he feels change is needed. They include lay preaching, “substantial” bread, containers holding the Eucharist, the Permanent Diaconate, the processional cross, religious art, etc. Committees will be formed to discuss all of this and feedback will be encouraged.

*Stay tuned.

 

[singerlady]

River Glorious:

Our priest didn’t go into detail about the convocation but this is what he said in today’s bulletin

Stay tuned.

Our pastor said zip about the meeting. I’m betting that most of our parishioners aren’t even aware that there was such a meeting. Please keep us posted.

 

[River_Glorious]

singerlady,
Did your parish hear the taped prolife message from Bishop Carlson last Sunday (Respect life Sunday)?

 

[singerlady]

River Glorious:

singerlady,
Did your parish hear the taped prolife message from Bishop Carlson last Sunday (Respect life Sunday)?

Yes, we did hear that.

 

[ekindermann]

River Glorious:

Our priest didn’t go into detail about the convocation but this is what he said in today’s bulletin

The Convocation at Crystal Mountain was the most interesting I have ever attended. The topics were centered on our worship and our new Bishop’s views regarding that worship. There is too much to report on for this column, but I will put a little information in several bulletins to come. To begin with, the Bishop had high praise for many of the parishes he has visted. He believes we worship well, that music is very good, that parishioners very reverently receive the Eucharist, etc. At the same time, he also has many areas where he feels change is needed. They include lay preaching, “substantial” bread, containers holding the Eucharist, the Permanent Diaconate, the processional cross, religious art, etc. Committees will be formed to discuss all of this and feedback will be encouraged.

Stay tuned.

Interesting…our priest also said he’d do so in the next bulletin…and I’ve been told the new chalices have already been ordered to replace the glass…other than that, nada. Yeah to those above named problem areas, now if we can add nuns who want to be priests to that list (interjecting during the Mass in between the priest’s words - like we have “co-presiders”). Squelching the “lay preaching” will nip the homily but not her other “interjections” and calling her “Pastor” and calling the priest “Sacramental Minister” I got no problem with Pastoral Administrators if the priest needs help running the business/admin end of the parish, but that’s where it should end. imho (which admitedly sounds rather unhumble at times!)

 

[River_Glorious]

ekindermann,
The parish I’m now attending had similar sounding problems but both the priest aka sacramental minister and the Sister aka pastoral administrator were both transferred in July. Now we have a retired Sister staying in the rectory at our parish to help run things day to day and the priest stays at the rectory at the other parish. But the new Sister is not referred to as the pastoral administrator. And for the first time in many years the bulletin names the priest as pastor.

So it seems that things may be moving slowly, but they are changing in the right direction.

 

[ekindermann]

River Glorious:

Now we have a retired Sister staying in the rectory at our parish to help run things day to day and the priest stays at the rectory at the other parish. But the new Sister is not referred to as the pastoral administrator. And for the first time in many years the bulletin names the priest as pastor.

So it seems that things may be moving slowly, but they are changing in the right direction.

Praise God, Praise God! Are you in the Saginaw Diocese??

 

[River_Glorious]

ekindermann,
The parish I’m now attending had similar sounding problems but both the priest aka sacramental minister and the Sister aka pastoral administrator were both transferred in July. Now we have a retired Sister staying in the rectory at our parish to help run things day to day and the priest stays at the rectory at the other parish. But the new Sister is not referred to as the pastoral administrator. And for the first time in many years the bulletin names the priest as pastor.

So it seems that things may be moving slowly, but they are changing in the right direction.

 

[ekindermann]

River Glorious:

ekindermann,
The parish I’m now attending had similar sounding problems but both the priest aka sacramental minister and the Sister aka pastoral QUOTE]

Not quite sure why the above posted twice, but my reply is two above! Technology…donycha just love it?!
Thanks again, Beth

 

[River_Glorious]

I live about an hour north of Port Huron in the Saginaw diocese.

I’m looking forward to giving my feedback, definitely tired of the McMass.

 

[singerlady]

I’m really disappointed that absolutely nothing has been said by our pastor about the meeting last week. When he talked about going, he led the congregation to believe that it was basically a get-together with fellow priests, to support each other. He made no mention whatsoever about meeting to discuss the implementation of the GIRM. We have seen no changes. Anyone else?

 

[frommi]

singerlady:

I’m really disappointed that absolutely nothing has been said by our pastor about the meeting last week. When he talked about going, he led the congregation to believe that it was basically a get-together with fellow priests, to support each other. He made no mention whatsoever about meeting to discuss the implementation of the GIRM. We have seen no changes. Anyone else?

They’ve had that assembly every two years for a long time…how often have they ever come back and reported on it?

I read on another parish website that the GIRM was a topic of discussion but there is still some question about how to move forward, and the question simply focuses on the lack of a new roman missal translation.

 

[singerlady]

frommi:

They’ve had that assembly every two years for a long time…how often have they ever come back and reported on it?

I am well aware that these assemblies are not new, however the focus of this one was a little different, don’t you think?

 

[frommi]

singerlady:

I am well aware that these assemblies are not new, however the focus of this one was a little different, don’t you think?

My honest guess…of course it was different because it was with a new leader…so that changes the dynamic…

At the same time, any idea that the bishop was going to start laying down the girm hammer seemed to be something that people in the forums, or in the pews were hoping for…and they were just remembering the bishop telling the priests to continue doing things the way they were for ‘six months’.

It seems likely that it was simply a time of fellowship and reflection for the presbyerate of Saginaw…maybe not. And maybe having that time together will be of long term value to the diocese…the last thing the place needs is some kind of resentment between the priests and the bishop

 

[singerlady]

frommi:

My honest guess…of course it was different because it was with a new leader…so that changes the dynamic…

At the same time, any idea that the bishop was going to start laying down the girm hammer seemed to be something that people in the forums, or in the pews were hoping for…and they were just remembering the bishop telling the priests to continue doing things the way they were for ‘six months’.

It seems likely that it was simply a time of fellowship and reflection for the presbyerate of Saginaw…maybe not. And maybe having that time together will be of long term value to the diocese…the last thing the place needs is some kind of resentment between the priests and the bishop

You know, FromMI, the language you use tells us a lot about your agenda. No one said anything about Bishop Carlson laying down the “GIRM hammer.” That’s not his style. Bishop Carlson’s exact words were “continue as you have been until we have a chance to look over the documents and go over it with the priests.” As for hoping for the cleanup of the abuses, yes, that is what we are hoping for. It’s like a circus at our parish. Our pastor, before Bishop Carlson ever got here, let me know in no uncertain terms just what he did not intend to let go of. My pastor expects me to obey his every asinine whim, but does not intend to honor the promises he made at ordination.

You keep inferring that Bishop Carlson is some kind of gestapo figure who intends to whip us all into submission. His pastoral approach reminds me much of Jesus - preferring to have people follow him willingly. Perhaps you ought to do a little research on the man before you characterize him in the way you have been.

 

[MrS]

singerlady:

You keep inferring that Bishop Carlson is some kind of gestapo figure who intends to whip us all into submission. His pastoral approach reminds me much of Jesus - preferring to have people follow him willingly. Perhaps you ought to do a little research on the man before you characterize him in the way you have been.

and it must be working. I hear from priest friends in other dioceses (Detroit and Lansing) who already admire the man and pray that he will even influence Maida and Mengeling. Already he is influencing young men to consider that they may have a priestly calling.

 

[grotto]

frommi:

My honest guess…of course it was different because it was with a new leader…so that changes the dynamic…

At the same time, any idea that the bishop was going to start laying down the girm hammer seemed to be something that people in the forums, or in the pews were hoping for…and they were just remembering the bishop telling the priests to continue doing things the way they were for ‘six months’.

It seems likely that it was simply a time of fellowship and reflection for the presbyerate of Saginaw…maybe not. And maybe having that time together will be of long term value to the diocese…the last thing the place needs is some kind of resentment between the priests and the bishop

 

[singerlady]

MrS:

and it must be working. I hear from priest friends in other dioceses (Detroit and Lansing) who already admire the man and pray that he will even influence Maida and Mengeling. Already he is influencing young men to consider that they may have a priestly calling.

Amen
You would think that the fact that we have 12 seminarians would be a source of joy for the priests in Saginaw. I suspect that some see a diminution of their “power” if the priesthood should increase. I’m pretty sure our pastor would not have been ordained under Bishop Carlson.

 

[Orionthehunter]

singerlady:

Amen
You would think that the fact that we have 12 seminarians would be a source of joy for the priests in Saginaw. I suspect that some see a diminution of their “power” if the priesthood should increase. I’m pretty sure our pastor would not have been ordained under Bishop Carlson.

Bishop Carlson is a great and holy man. He was my Bishop before he went to Saginaw and we all miss him dearly. It is amazing that he already has 12 seminarians but it doesn’t surprise me. We are in great shape here and still bearing fruit from his ministry as I know we have had even more enter the seminary this fall w/o yet even having a Bishop to replace Bishop Carlson!. This is one of his great charisms. This being said, I don’t think I’d go so far to say that your current Priest wouldn’t have been ordained under Bishop Carlson. If Bishop Carlson agrees that he has a priestly calling, he would have ordained him. If he saw within him some “weaknesses” that you attest exist, he’d have just made sure he was properly tutored. Over time, I’m sure that you will see very positive changes from your Pastor. Bishop Carlson is a great leader.

This message is to all in the Diocese: Bishop Carlson is a great and holy man who will do wonders in your diocese (those of us who have lost him have two great challenges- not to envy Saginaw and to not expect too much from his successor ). But he will accomplish it all in his own way and his own timeline according to his discernment and direction he recieves from the Holy Spirit. For those who believe he is moving too slow (or too fast for that matter) need to prayerfully support him and love him as he goes at his pace. It will pay great fruit for you and your fellow Catholics.

 

[frommi]

singerlady:

You know, FromMI, the language you use tells us a lot about your agenda. No one said anything about Bishop Carlson laying down the “GIRM hammer.” That’s not his style. Bishop Carlson’s exact words were “continue as you have been until we have a chance to look over the documents and go over it with the priests.” As for hoping for the cleanup of the abuses, yes, that is what we are hoping for. It’s like a circus at our parish. Our pastor, before Bishop Carlson ever got here, let me know in no uncertain terms just what he did not intend to let go of. My pastor expects me to obey his every asinine whim, but does not intend to honor the promises he made at ordination.

You keep inferring that Bishop Carlson is some kind of gestapo figure who intends to whip us all into submission. His pastoral approach reminds me much of Jesus - preferring to have people follow him willingly. Perhaps you ought to do a little research on the man before you characterize him in the way you have been.

Wasn’t my intent to come across that way…I was just saying that I felt several people were assuming/inferring what would come out of the assembly of priests…and I’m not certain that any of us truly knew what was being spoken about that one should express dissapointment in the results or perceieved lack thereof. That’s all…it was more about the physical ‘agenda’ of the actualy assembly not about an ‘agenda’ of a person.