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msproule
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I don’t think there is one in the Diocese of Gaylord, either. Not one in communion with Rome, that is.
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singerlady
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Take heart, Grotto. There may be one in the future. It’s more probable now than in the past.
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MBS1
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I was at a mass the Bishop presided over this weekend. I think he is used to the “real bread” used, but he had an interesting look on his face when the cantor came over to hold his hand during the Our Father. Of interest, though, is that neither the Bishop or the priest came out to shake hands and greet everyone after the sign of peace. That is normal for some churches I have attended in the Gaylord Diocese, but is a first for this church. The journey of a thousand miles does indeed start with a few small steps.
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Oh yeah, both the priest and Bishop gave themselves communion first (right after the consecration). Ususally the priest waits until the end and accepts the eucharist from one of the eucharistic ministers. That was also something I have not seen around here for quite a while.MBS1
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singerlady
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Oh my. Sounds like someone has been reading the GIRM. LOL
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Orionthehunter
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As a member of Bishop Carlson’s former diocese, you can trust that this good holy man knows the GIRM very well and knew it long before Saginaw was blessed by his presence.
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singerlady
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Oh, I know. That was just a little wink at those who think the GIRM can be “read” or “spun” to accomodate any liturgical abuse. We are indeed blessed to have Bishop Carlson. I am literally counting the days until he meets with the priests and goes over the GIRM with them.
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ekindermann
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A BIG AMEN, there, singer! I heard it was the first w/e in Oct. does anyone know for sure? Today, at daily mass, My kids & I were instructed to STAND, because we were kneeling. (The first request was an “invitation”, so I got up. The second time, after the Holy, Holy, it was more than an “invitation” iykwim. I complied but remained profoundly bowed at the waist the entire time. I find it physically impossible to stand while I say to Jesus, “Lord, I am not worthy to receive you…” I can’t think about it too much or I start to get angry… My friend has Bishop Carlson’s email, I’m thinking of emailing this little scenario to him before they meet.
Goodnight all. Beth
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singerlady
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Good grief! The Eucharistic Prayer is just that - prayer. If one (and by one I mean the priest) is praying, how is it that he is paying so much attention to your posture. Sounds like more like a power play than prayer to me. But what do I know. I haven’t yet figured out how to “spin” the documents and feel good about it. IYKWIM
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frommi
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The GIRM can’t be ‘spun’ in any particular direction…but I have found that it is not just people on the so called ‘liberal’ side of this who are trying to ‘spin’ things in a direction favorable to them.
I truly don’t know how much a lot of these girm-based issues matter, but I also trust that the presbyerate of saginaw is not full of people who would go against their bishop.
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grotto
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GIRM stands for General Instruction of the Roman Missal and is the direction of the Roman Catholic Church for the Sacred Liturgy. Guess its pretty important, huh?
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singerlady
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Uh, when someone tells me that I don’t know how to “read” the documents and then proceeds to violate them - that’s spinning.
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frommi
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I agree. This may shock some to hear me say this, but the general instruction is not optional, and the sooner we do it, the sooner we can get on with the work and prayer of the church.
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singerlady
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Yep, FromMi, you done shocked me.
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frommi
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Once in a while I can pull something out of my hat that stuns people…However, I’ve always felt it was important that liturgical correctness be intrepreted by people who actually understand the documents. Quite frankly, Saginaw has a pretty well educated preist in charge of managing the implementation of the girm…so I’m sure it will be done in a pastorally wise way.Yep, FromMi, you done shocked me.
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singerlady
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I thought the bishop himself was going to be in charge of that. Who is it that he appointed to manage it?
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frommi
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My impression was that the pastor of St. Brigid in Midland is heading up the office of liturgy for the diocese…which I assumed would be acting as a conduit for the bishop’s plan for implementation. Just remember to be patient Singerlady…the GIRM was to be implemented in Chicago over two years ago and we’re still workign out some kinks.
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singerlady
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Thanks, FromMi. I know which pastor you are talking about. I hadn’t heard that he was heading up the office of liturgy. Actually, liturgical abuses aren’t at the very top of my wish list for this diocese, but they are indicative of a certain - oh, I don’t know - agenda might be the word I’m looking for. My immediate concerns are the struggling parish schools and the lack of vocations. With 12 seminarians, things are definitely looking up in the vocations department.
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MICATH
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Has anyone heard what happened at the bishops meeting with the priests this week? Were they instructed to start implementing the GIRM?
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grotto
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Hoping and praying that our Bishop’s efforts are especially blessed!
I would like to point out that recently some gossip was let into the wind that a certain priest from St. Bridget’s in Midland was going to be placed in charge of instructing the GIRM. I don’t think that sort of commentary should be made - it simply doesn’t fall under the purview
of the poster to make such a statement and it may cause harm.
I would like to point out that recently some gossip was let into the wind that a certain priest from St. Bridget’s in Midland was going to be placed in charge of instructing the GIRM. I don’t think that sort of commentary should be made - it simply doesn’t fall under the purview
of the poster to make such a statement and it may cause harm.
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