Bishop Robert Carlson - Sioux Falls

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singerlady:
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I’m pretty sure our pastor would not have been ordained under Bishop Carlson.
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That doesn’t seem like a fair thing to say…I’m not at all sure who your pastor is, but he could’ve been ordained under Francis Reh or Ken Untener…and I really can’t think of a priest in Saginaw that is so beyond the pale that they would not have been ordained just about anywhere…
 
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frommi:
That doesn’t seem like a fair thing to say…I’m not at all sure who your pastor is, but he could’ve been ordained under Francis Reh or Ken Untener…and I really can’t think of a priest in Saginaw that is so beyond the pale that they would not have been ordained just about anywhere…
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No, you’re not sure who my pastor is, so you really don’t know whether it is fair or not. However, I shouldn’t have posted that - whether it is true or not. It was uncharitable. I apologize.
 
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frommi:
That doesn’t seem like a fair thing to say…I’m not at all sure who your pastor is, but he could’ve been ordained under Francis Reh or Ken Untener…and I really can’t think of a priest in Saginaw that is so beyond the pale that they would not have been ordained just about anywhere…
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Just a point of clarification - not all of the priests in this diocese were ordained in this diocese.
 
Just for the record…I spoke with someone I trust on such matters who said that there was no real laundry list of directives handed out to the presbyerate at the assembly. Apparently a good deal of time was spent processing the transition in the diocese and discussing the timing of implementing any forthcoming changes.
 
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frommi:
Just for the record…I spoke with someone I trust on such matters who said that there was no real laundry list of directives handed out to the presbyerate at the assembly. Apparently a good deal of time was spent processing the transition in the diocese and discussing the timing of implementing any forthcoming changes.
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well your source is wrong
 
You seem to be pretty sure about a lot of things and like to get your “news out there”. You must be in charge of very important matters and confer with others who seek your valued opinions in the affairs of many diocese. You referenced how long its taking for Chicago to get the GIRM implemented, advising people to be patient (I gather you are working on it), what priest is going to implement the GIRM in the Saginaw Diocese, speak of former bishops without their proper titles but casually (like old buddies) and various other descriptive comments that suggest you regard your role as a key player. I can almost hear your jingling the change in your pocket as you rock back and forth on your toes pompously evaluating your information.smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_8_103.gif
 
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frommi:
No…I’m pretty sure on this one…
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Then how would you explain the bulletin insert we got that lists ten points which the bishop expressed specific concern over? By the way, this from a priest who was far from being ready to jump up and change anything. One exact quote from the bulletin insert is: “Most of our discussion time was spent on the new General Instruction of the Roman Missal. In light of this new document, the Bishop began this discussion by prtesenting some of his policies for celebrating Mass in the Diocese of Saginaw.”
He then lists 10 points and then says, “Note: there is more to the new General Instruction than these points made by the Bishop, but he expressed these as those he sees as most important.”
he certainly has no reason to misrepresent what took place.
 
I think you both are referring to the same thing. It is just being reported from two different perspectives (ekindermann’s source and frommi’s source). In the end, we can agree that forthcoming changes and how they are to be implemented were discussed at the meeting. That is what I gather from each respective report.
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ekindermann:
Then how would you explain the bulletin insert we got that lists ten points which the bishop expressed specific concern over? By the way, this from a priest who was far from being ready to jump up and change anything. One exact quote from the bulletin insert is: “Most of our discussion time was spent on the new General Instruction of the Roman Missal. In light of this new document, the Bishop began this discussion by prtesenting some of his policies for celebrating Mass in the Diocese of Saginaw.”
He then lists 10 points and then says, “Note: there is more to the new General Instruction than these points made by the Bishop, but he expressed these as those he sees as most important.”
he certainly has no reason to misrepresent what took place.
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I certainly didnt mean to make it sound like no girm discussion took place. I just had heard that no definitive directives were handed down at the assembly.

I am curious though…what were the ‘ten points’…I don’t have access to that kind of information
 
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frommi:
I am curious though…what were the ‘ten points’…I don’t have access to that kind of information
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I would think that your “trusted source” would be able to give you that information. My source tells me that music was discussed at length. I would think that my pastor would be eager to share that information with me.

There seems to be a conspiracy of silence in our area, and I don’'t just mean in regard to the convocation.
 
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singerlady:
I would think that your “trusted source” would be able to give you that information. My source tells me that music was discussed at length. I would think that my pastor would be eager to share that information with me.

There seems to be a conspiracy of silence in our area, and I don’'t just mean in regard to the convocation.
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See…I simply thought it was nice to hear that the presbyerate had a good time of retreat and fellowship with the new chief shepherd.

That’s ALL and I swear ALL I was trying to get across.
 
Whatever.

As I said, there is a conspiracy of silence in our area about what Bishop Carlson has accomplished here already. Most parishioners I speak with are surprised to hear how many seminarians we have. We never hear about vocations in our parish. Strange, don’t you think? Recently a Eucharistic Congress - at which the bishop was in attendance - was held at the Sacred Heart Learning Center in the Alma-St. Louis area. It was open to the public. There was no announcement - no nothing - not even in the parishes that are located nearby.
 
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singerlady:
Whatever.

As I said, there is a conspiracy of silence in our area about what Bishop Carlson has accomplished here already. Most parishioners I speak with are surprised to hear how many seminarians we have. We never hear about vocations in our parish. Strange, don’t you think? Recently a Eucharistic Congress - at which the bishop was in attendance - was held at the Sacred Heart Learning Center in the Alma-St. Louis area. It was open to the public. There was no announcement - no nothing - not even in the parishes that are located nearby.
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I don’t live anywhere near Saginaw, and knew that there were 12 seminarians…and I knew about the Eucharsitc Congress…all of this information is available.

The idea of a conspiracy of silence seems a little bit out of place at this juncture. Frankly, I’m not sure what it means.
 
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frommi:
I don’t live anywhere near Saginaw, and knew that there were 12 seminarians…and I knew about the Eucharsitc Congress…all of this information is available.

The idea of a conspiracy of silence seems a little bit out of place at this juncture. Frankly, I’m not sure what it means.
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You don’t live anywhere near Saginaw. You either get your info from people (I suspect they are priests) in the diocese or you get it from the Catholic Weekly. Our parish subscription was cancelled. Our pastor says nothing. The average person in our pews is not as well connected as you. Believe what you want. It really doesn’t matter to me.
 
Bishop Carlson has been in office about 8 months now. Have there been any actual or announced (name removed by moderator)rovements in the diocese yet?
 
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lepanto:
Have there been any actual or announced (name removed by moderator)rovements in the diocese yet?
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I noticed at least one change for the better, which I pointed out here. The parish website to which I refer no longer contains any statement regarding their (invalid) bread recipe. For those who may have missed the original recipe, the online bulletin used to state this.

I have seen no accompanying announcements (and for all I know, this parish is still using the old recipe), but at least they are no longer misleading anybody by claiming that it was approved by the Holy See! :nope:
 
Some progress has been made at our “should be Catholic Church” - the nun/pastor did NOT give the homily this weekend, but still blessed the Offertory gifts and other “assists”. Wonder how she received any guidance from the meeting of Bishop Carlson and priests? Oh, okay, I got it.
 
I still have “The Taste of Honey” running through my mind. Some weeks it’s there, other weeks it isn’t. Our pastor doesn’t really care. We are treated to his liberal/progressive views, but he’s not interested in anything we have to say. I have begun composing my own letter to the bishop.
 
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singerlady:
I still have “The Taste of Honey” running through my mind. Some weeks it’s there, other weeks it isn’t. Our pastor doesn’t really care. We are treated to his liberal/progressive views, but he’s not interested in anything we have to say. I have begun composing my own letter to the bishop.
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I encourage you to write your letter to Bishop Carlson as it is certainly within your right to communicate to the Shepherd and he will sincerely consider your views. He is a good and Holy man who will shepherd your diocese guided by the Holy Spirit.

As I’ve read your comments, I sense a great deal of frustration and impatience. However, I urge you to be patient. He will do things according in his way and time as he discerns guidance from the Holy Spirit.

I’m one who accepts the authority of the Pope and my Bishop. I trust that the Holy Spirit picked the Pope, the Pope was inspired when he picked my Bishop and the Holy Spirit called my Priest to the Priesthood.

Do I sometimes think there are misinterpretations that have led to liturgical abuses and poor teaching of the faithful? Yes as these men are human subject to human weakness. The question is how I respond. I can express externally my disagreement to others in a tone that disrepects their legitimate authority which is essentially scandal as it appears that we can be selective on what authority we accept. Or I can express my disagreement through prayer that they better reconcile their teaching to that of Rome.

Even in the most egregious examples, I have yet to have seen a situation where the Priest or Bishop’s intent is to lead people away from Christ yet so much of the criticism seems to imply such a motive. It serves our Church for us to assume the best of motives even when they are wrong and to trust that ultimately the power of the Holy Spirit will prevail. Do you really believe that your Priest has an evil agenda?

Give Bishop Carlson time to effect changes that took decades to become “ingrained”. As he expects his authority to be respected, he must do so in a way that respects the authority of your previous Bishop, no matter how misguided that Bishop may have been. To otherwise is an assault on the entire concept of Church Authority.
 
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