Bishop says Notre Dame is wrong to honor Joe Biden

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Since most are emotionally compromised at some level I would be fine with them being charged with voluntary manslaughter with attendant jail time and recording them as fellons. If they have children that would be impacted then they should be put on house arrest.

The doctors on the otherhand should be charged with aggregated murder. They are basically contract killers paid to commit infanticide.

Sounds harsh??? Anyone that can rip a child limb from limb and throw them in the trash is the lowest of the low. Their moral compass points them straight to Hell. One only prays they will repent and beg forgiveness before they die.
Many women are emotionally compromised when they contract for the murder of their unfaithful husbands. Would you be fine with them being charged with voluntary manslaughter? Murder is murder, and in the past murder was punished by death. Now everyone wants these murderers to get away with being charged with voluntary manslaughter and spend a few months in jail. I guess Americans consider life to be a very cheap commodity?
 
Since most are emotionally compromised at some level I would be fine with them being charged with voluntary manslaughter with attendant jail time and recording them as fellons. If they have children that would be impacted then they should be put on house arrest.

The doctors on the otherhand should be charged with aggregated murder. They are basically contract killers paid to commit infanticide.

Sounds harsh??? Anyone that can rip a child limb from limb and throw them in the trash is the lowest of the low. Their moral compass points them straight to Hell. One only prays they will repent and beg forgiveness before they die.
The doctors were contracted by the wife to commit murder. If a wife contracts a killer to murder her husband or her unborn child, she is just as guilty of the murder as the contracted person. The doctorwould not have performed the abortion except that the mother asked for it and demanded it claiming that it was legal according to the American system of justice.
 
He doesn’t agree with abortion, but also knows that the government can’t outlaw it.
Yes it can. Liberals just want to make the cause seem hopeless so everyone will give up on it.

What if the abolitionists thought like that?
You think they can, so I’ll ask you, if you could write a law to ban all abortions, what penalty would you write into the law for mothers who obtain abortions and the doctors who perform them ? Would your law send them to prison, if so, for how long ?
Would the penalty be the same as for murder ?
These questions are not a deterrent nor are they an acceptable excuse to not fight to ban most abortions (danger to mother with proper intentions being the only acceptable claim).

I would imagine there would be a scale of some sort based on intent, meditation and effort of execution, like many laws against human beings are.

So it’s really not a mystery.
 
You see, this is the issue I have when people use Biden and Colbert as positive models on what a Catholic is. Colbert is more of a Protestant when it comes to his faith - the way he talks about it. He’s the “cool and reasonable Catholic” aka A person who makes faith only acceptable in Church and doesn’t dare to bring it to the voting booth.

List the people that do respect him and I’ll go through them.
Colbert is a left-wing commentator and the ratings of his new show suffer for it, but I guess CBS is willing to take the hit (as they were with the previous host) in order to advance the DNC agenda.

As far as his stance on abortion, I don’t know what that is, but he does the pro-life movement a grave disservice by supporting pro-abortion politicians.
 
I don’t understand why we don’t try to change laws that encourage the enabling of abortions. Is it all about the money?
It seems to me the laws that enable abortion are the ones that say it legal.

And for Planned Parenthood, it’s an industry alright and definately about the money as they hide behind technical legalities.

Slave owners used to do the exact same thing.
 
Sounds harsh??? Anyone that can rip a child limb from limb and throw them in the trash is the lowest of the low. Their moral compass points them straight to Hell. One only prays they will repent and beg forgiveness before they die.
You realize, don’t you, that a growing number of abortions are medical abortions done in the first trimester? Some are even done remotely. You take a pill, and later you take a second pill, and you go home and go to the toilet. It is similar to having a miscarriage. Some blood clots are evacuated over a period of time. Surgical abortions are on the decline.
 
You realize, don’t you, that a growing number of abortions are medical abortions done in the first trimester? Some are even done remotely. You take a pill, and later you take a second pill, and you go home and go to the toilet. It is similar to having a miscarriage. Some blood clots are evacuated over a period of time. Surgical abortions are on the decline.
Yes, but that does not change the fact that many, if not most, abortionist would still perform a dismemberment abortion if they had to. Chemical abortions are generally done for convenience and cost savings. The fact that abortionists and abortuaries like Planned Infanticide consider murder in economic and convenience terms only makes them that much sicker.

Please don’t try to make it seem like these are basically just miscarriages. While superficially they might be, they lack one very huge difference; Intent. A miscarriage is an unfortunate part of life, whereas abortion is homicide regardless of the means.
 
Many women are emotionally compromised when they contract for the murder of their unfaithful husbands. Would you be fine with them being charged with voluntary manslaughter? Murder is murder, and in the past murder was punished by death. Now everyone wants these murderers to get away with being charged with voluntary manslaughter and spend a few months in jail. I guess Americans consider life to be a very cheap commodity?
Not to pull this thread too far off track, so I’ll answer briefly as I can.

Like all unlawful homicides, the degree is determined by aggregating and mitigating factors. It is certainly true that premeditation is involved, so the question would be does their emotional state reduce the culpability and to what extent?

I think many abortions should be charged as first degree murder. My neighbor who casually mentioned killing her two children because “some women just shouldn’t be mothers”, should certainly be charged with murder 1. Any repeat abortion (something like 45% of all abortions in the US) should be treated as such. I suspect the vast majority should be if they are done with a reckless disregard for life rather than motivated by fear.

And manslaughter is not exactly a slap on the wrist. If all women in the US who had abortions were convicted of manslaughter, something like 25% of women would be ineligible to vote or hold public office as manslaughter is still a felony conviction.
The doctors were contracted by the wife to commit murder. If a wife contracts a killer to murder her husband or her unborn child, she is just as guilty of the murder as the contracted person. The doctorwould not have performed the abortion except that the mother asked for it and demanded it claiming that it was legal according to the American system of justice.
You make a fair point of comparison between a woman that contracts to kill their baby vs their husband. In concern for the doctor though they are generally accepting payment for services to commit homicide. The financial reward, in my mind, makes this an aggravating factor in their choice to commit homicide.

If we want to continue this discussion it should be moved to a different thread as it is not directly related to Mr Biden and ND’s poor judgement.
 
How reasonable is your position? If a mother commits the crime of murdering her child by abortion, would you want her to get the death penalty or spend life in prison for the crime of murder?
My position is entirely reasonable. I find it laughably unreasonable that you would assume if abortion is made illegal again, that mothers would be given the death penalty or life in prison. How many states, before Roe v Wade, gave the death penalty or life in prison to mothers who had abortions?

You avoided answering this question in the other thread. Could you answer it this time?
 
He makes no such claim.
He most certainly does.

BIDEN: My religion defines who I am. And I’ve been a practicing Catholic my whole life. And it has particularly informed my social doctrine. Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who can’t take care of themselves, people who need help. With regard to abortion, I accept my church’s position that life begins at conception. That’s the church’s judgment. I accept it in my personal life. But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews and–I just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the congressman. I do not believe that we have a right to tell other people that women can’t control their body. It’s a decision between them and their doctor, in my view. And the Supreme Court–I’m not going to interfere with that.
He doesn’t agree with abortion, but also knows that the government can’t outlaw it.
Why can’t it be outlawed? It was outlawed before 1973. This is a silly claim.
You think they can, so I’ll ask you, if you could write a law to ban all abortions, what penalty would you write into the law for mothers who obtain abortions and the doctors who perform them ?
For the doctors, I would probably support murder charges with penalties running from 10-30 years, depending on the severity of the crime(s). For the mothers, it would run from probation up to a couple years in jail, depending on the situation and amount of callousness shown (i.e. a scared teenager being coerced or forced into an abortion is vastly different than a callous mother who uses abortion as a form of birth control without a care in the world about the child).
Would your law send them to prison, if so, for how long ?
Would the penalty be the same as for murder ?
Penalties would vary dramatically depending on the situation involved.
 
Many women are emotionally compromised when they contract for the murder of their unfaithful husbands. Would you be fine with them being charged with voluntary manslaughter? Murder is murder, and in the past murder was punished by death. Now everyone wants these murderers to get away with being charged with voluntary manslaughter and spend a few months in jail.** I guess Americans consider life to be a very cheap commodity**?
…says the person who supports abortion…
 
Please, no more posts on* this* thread disagreeing with the Catholic Church’s teaching on abortion. That teaching is clear, though of course you can disagree with the teaching itself on another thread, which you can join, or start.

This thread is about a university, a politician and a bishop. Posts about abortion per se should be reported to the mods if put on this thread, but welcomed as new threads.
 
My position is entirely reasonable. I find it laughably unreasonable that you would assume if abortion is made illegal again, that mothers would be given the death penalty or life in prison. How many states, before Roe v Wade, gave the death penalty or life in prison to mothers who had abortions?

You avoided answering this question in the other thread. Could you answer it this time?
If abortion is murder, as you believe, then what would the penalty for a woman who obtains an abortion and murders her baby ?

If there is no penalty, the law is useless

Jim
 
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He most certainly does.
Not using the terms you did, which is the point.
Why can’t it be outlawed? It was outlawed before 1973. This is a silly claim.
Yeah it was and loosely enforced depending on the state. Its why it ended up before the SCOTUS and the states can not make it illegal.

Legislatures know this and its why we have not seen a law written by any republican pro-life member of Congress, that would outlaw all abortions.
For the doctors, I would probably support murder charges with penalties running from 10-30 years, depending on the severity of the crime(s). For the mothers, it would run from probation up to a couple years in jail, depending on the situation and amount of callousness shown (i.e. a scared teenager being coerced or forced into an abortion is vastly different than a callous mother who uses abortion as a form of birth control without a care in the world about the child).
And you’d never get such a law through congress, because there is no way members of Congress would want to have Doctors charged with murder, for performing an abortion, especially if performed for medical reasons for the mothers health.
Penalties would vary dramatically depending on the situation involved.
The law has to be specific, not subject to interpretation according to lower courts and in line with the SCOTUS ruling on Roe V Wade in 1973.

You’ve merely shown you don’t have the expertise to know how to write such a law, yet you demand members of Congress do it. :rolleyes:

We are opposed to abortion, because we believe and know that it is immoral, but in the USA, we are a secular society with a system of laws.

The best we can do is educate all people about abortion and what it really is,

Using crude language, will and has hurt the pro-life cause and its inspired the imbalanced to kill people.

Jim
 
If abortion is murder, as you believe, then what would the penalty for a woman who obtains an abortion and murders her baby ?

If there is no penalty, the law is useless

Jim
As a Catholic what do you think abortion is?
 
As a Catholic what do you think abortion is?
Abortion is what the Church teaches, an intrinsic moral evil.

However, its not murder by definition and not punishable as murder is.

Trying to get a law banning abortion making it equal to murder, will never happen.

Jim
 
Abortion is what the Church teaches, an intrinsic moral evil.

However, its not murder by definition and not punishable as murder is.

Trying to get a law banning abortion making it equal to murder, will never happen.

Jim
The Pope called it murder; maybe one has quarrels with that.
 
The Pope called it murder; maybe one has quarrels with that.
The Pope says its akin to murder.

It actuality, its akin to manslaughter, but for most people, they only believe that might be the case after the fetus is viable.

Pre-viability, both Jews, Muslims and others, do not view abortion as immoral.

We live in a pluralistic society, so trying to write a law that makes abortion equivalent to murder, will never happen.

Jim
 
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