Bishop says tighter gun laws will help build culture of life

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Prodigal_Son1 said:
See, you spin whatever is said to belittle and impugn. I disagree with you and do not support abortion and find it a false accusation repeated too many times. I am speaking on the moral guidance of our bishops, and not out to impugn anyone personally. I really have to question why it’s necessary for others to ‘see the intent’ of heart and make such accusations. Is it to quieten the view on gun controls?

The bishops cover many issues, and are not bound to a single issue.
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You are the first one to attack Mitt Romney and now fabricate that you are attacked? Excuse me, I said if you are wrong in your judgment, you in effect, aid an abett abortion. Why should those of us who act responsibly in respect for life listen to your attacks on people that defy reason and really just seem anti-Republican.

The Bishops cover many issues and the right to life is a non-negotiable. I’m sorry if you assert your judgment over them but in other parts, point to us to follow the Bishops. This is inconsistent.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
There are loopholes where people don’t even have to exchange names. That’s a fact. It also places the bishop in a peculiar position.
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But the government could build a huge gun registry. Now, if the government is not worthy of trust, there is no reason to do this and in fact, that means any government. Conservative, Moderate or Liberal.
 
BroomWagon said:
You are the first one to attack Mitt Romney and now fabricate that you are attacked? Excuse me, I said if you are wrong in your judgment, you in effect, aid an abett abortion. Why should those of us who act responsibly in respect for life listen to your attacks on people that defy reason and really just seem anti-Republican.

The Bishops cover many issues and the right to life is a non-negotiable. I’m sorry if you assert your judgment over them but in other parts, point to us to follow the Bishops. This is inconsistent.
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I was the first? You give me too much credit. Now, I kindly ask that you stop accusing me of supporting abortion. It’s not true and you’ve been told that repeatedly. I do assert myself on all issues, when someone supports it. I don’t have to live up to your expectations of harping on it with like minded people.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
The bishops work to change abortion legislation. Is that political?
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No it is not political in the least, it is a fight against an intrinsic evil. Guns are not intrinsically evil. Murder is, whether by gun, knife or abortion doctor.

The culture of death is not caused by gun rights, this is not what the bishops stated or what they have directed us to believe.
 
BroomWagon said:
But the government could build a huge gun registry. Now, if the government is not worthy of trust, there is no reason to do this and in fact, that means any government. Conservative, Moderate or Liberal.
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Oh that boogeyman government. They might take over. :rolleyes:

We don’t do this for political reasons, the bishops have offered moral guidance. That’s enough for me.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I was the first? You give me too much credit. Now, I kindly ask that you stop accusing me of supporting abortion. It’s not true and you’ve been told that repeatedly. I do assert myself on all issues, when someone supports it. I don’t have to live up to your expectations of harping on it with like minded people.
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You have uncharitably denigrated those who would have defunded the Federal Government’s role in Abortion through Planned Parenthood. This is true, so if you are wrong in judging people’s motives, you in effect, speak up for abortion and this would cast doubt on your gun arguments being anything more than partisan.
 
Lapey said:
No it is not political in the least, it is a fight against an intrinsic evil. Guns are not intrinsically evil. Murder is, whether by gun, knife or abortion doctor.

The culture of death is not caused by gun rights, this is not what the bishops stated or what they have directed us to believe.
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That why this is a moral issue. The easy access to guns, as the bishops have said, contributes to a culture of life, by cheapening life. Easy access to guns, think about it.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I have provided links to those facts important to Catholics, also, links that show the ineffectiveness of loopholes through private sales.
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It’s none of anyody’s business if I sell my pistol to my neighbor or give it to my son. Morally you do not have that right to condem that and this is not the problem.
 
BroomWagon said:
You have uncharitably denigrated those who would have defunded the Federal Government’s role in Abortion through Planned Parenthood. This is true, so if you are wrong in judging people’s motives, you in effect, speak up for abortion and this would cast doubt on your gun arguments being anything more than partisan.
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How much charity have you shown me, with your repeated accusations, that I clarify each time? I know the intent of my heart, as does the Lord. You cannot see that in me, or anyone else.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
That why this is a moral issue. The easy access to guns, as the bishops have said, contributes to a culture of life, by cheapening life. Easy access to guns, think about it.
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But as we all know, most guns in murders were not purchased legitimately, the guns in the mass shootings were not purchased legally to begin with. Gun laws would not have had an effect.
 
Lapey said:
No it is not political in the least, it is a fight against an intrinsic evil. Guns are not intrinsically evil. Murder is, whether by gun, knife or abortion doctor.

The culture of death is not caused by gun rights, this is not what the bishops stated or what they have directed us to believe.
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At this point I have to disagree. It is moral in nature, but when they advocate changing legislation, they are making a political statement, even if that is not their goal.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
How much charity have you shown me, with your repeated accusations, that I clarify each time? I know the intent of my heart, as does the Lord. You cannot see that in me, or anyone else.
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Well, you claim to see in the hearts of others by casting doubts on others. So again, this is spin as you say.
 
Lapey said:
It’s none of anyody’s business if I sell my pistol to my neighbor or give it to my son. Morally you do not have that right to condem that and this is not the problem.
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Ms. Lanza felt her son was safe around guns. How’d that work out? The first responder shooter’s neighbor felt he was safe enough to purchase a gun for, how’d that work out? The law abiding only suffers minor inconveniences, for the sake of preventing as many as possible from doing evil with illegally obtained guns. It’s really that simple.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Ms. Lanza felt her son was safe around guns. How’d that work out? The first responder shooter’s neighbor felt he was safe enough to purchase a gun for, how’d that work out? The law abiding only suffers minor inconveniences, for the sake of preventing as many as possible from doing evil with illegally obtained guns. It’s really that simple.
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I’m still waiting for your proof that Romney/Ryan would not have defunded Planned Parenthood with federal monies.
 
BroomWagon said:
Well, you claim to see in the hearts of others by casting doubts on others. So again, this is spin as you say.
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We are supposed to discern the politicians. If we don’t do that, we shouldn’t be advised to vote, or the Church should say, ‘vote for candidate ___________.’ It’s not judging to discern the actions of politicians. We all do that.
 
BroomWagon said:
I’m still waiting for your proof that Romney/Ryan would not have defunded Planned Parenthood with federal monies.
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Start another thread, with that as the topic, and I will be glad to join it, if you send me a message. Until then, stop trying to derail this thread.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
We are supposed to discern the politicians. If we don’t do that, we shouldn’t be advised to vote, or the Church should say, ‘vote for candidate ___________.’ It’s not judging to discern the actions of politicians. We all do that.
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And we should discern all people, in fact, those who bad mouth people who might work for us, provide jobs, say Roe v. Wade should be reversed, defund planned parenthood.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Didn’t you say, “So then say what you really feel then, at least appear honest about your argument. Say that you want to strip the Bill of Rights of the second amendment and be done with it.” Does it question my honesty?

No one is left without defense through background checks. Are the bishops calling for ‘unjust’ measures to control the sale and use of firearms? I am in agreement with them on this issue. Why is my knowledge the only to be singled out?
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We already have background checks…

and you are still wrong about theis resolution by the entire group of bishops being binding on me here in my diocese. This is dishonest to continue to repeat; you are flat wrong and I have provided CL to show you but you obstinately reject truth.
 
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