Bishop Vasa asks Catholics to affirm church teachings

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Should be mandated in every Catholic school on the planet.

Were that to happen in schools local to me, and if teachers preferred to quit rather than strive to model orthodox Catholicism, I would personally give up my more lucrative job and take one of theirs.

I only left teaching because of my public credentials and the filth they are teaching in public schools now, combined with unions, combined with faculty and administrative incompetence. I took other positions in education (and better paid) because of that, but I am more than qualified for any Catholic school position, and would be happy to replace any malcontent.

At least my students would be assured they had accurate catechesis.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
Should be mandated in every Catholic school on the planet.

Were that to happen in schools local to me, and if teachers preferred to quit rather than strive to model orthodox Catholicism, I would personally give up my more lucrative job and take one of theirs.

I only left teaching because of my public credentials and the filth they are teaching in public schools now, combined with unions, combined with faculty and administrative incompetence. I took other positions in education (and better paid) because of that, but I am more than qualified for any Catholic school position, and would be happy to replace any malcontent.

At least my students would be assured they had accurate catechesis.
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Agree with the mandate suggestion
 
cornbread_r2 said:
Can Jewish teachers be fired if they don’t attend church services on Sundays? If they can be fired, how is that not a violation of their freedom of religion? What about non-Catholic teachers whose religions don’t require them to attend church services at any time?
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I think that if the central mission of this private school is to evangelize and teach the Catholic faith there will not be many of these problems. But if they don’t sign the paper their positions will be terminated. It is up to them to sign it or not.
 
SonSearcher said:
I think that if the central mission of this private school is to evangelize and teach the Catholic faith there will not be many of these problems. But if they don’t sign the paper their positions will be terminated. It is up to them to sign it or not.
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Honestly. I’m trying to figure out why I, as a practicing Catholic, would work in a Jewish school, or a Mormon school ,etc. LIkewise, if you are Jewish, why teach in a Catholic school and expect the Catholic school to not have Catholic rules so you don’t have to abide by them?

This reminds me of the HHS mandate…“I work for a Catholic organization, but I want my birth control (even if it means your faith says it’s wrong)!”
 
_Abyssinia said:
Agree with the mandate suggestion
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Same here.

I wonder sometimes at the people who are against this. Do they not ever consider the parents, who are sending their kids to Catholic school? Are the parents really supposed to shell out tons of money to send their kids to Catholic school for the privilege of having them taught by people who dissent from settled Church doctrine? Do they even consider the souls of the children they may be leading astray? Our Blessed Lord taught in parable much of the time, but He was pretty direct on a few occasions. One of those where He was quite direct was when He stated the consequences of leading a child astray. Does it even cross people’s minds that they are free to put themselves into perdition if they choose, but perhaps they might not wish to lead a child away from the truth of Christ and His Church?

If you teach in a Catholic school and are not comfortable assenting to Church teachings there are two things to consider: 1) you might consider the state of your immortal soul as well as those in your care; and, 2) no one is forcing you to teach at that particular place. Seriously, how is this even a question? If I send my child to a Catholic school, you can be darn sure that I am doing so in the expectation that they will be immersed in an authentically Catholic environment.

Bottom line? Good for the bishop.
 
Prayers for Bishop Vasa- he’s going to need them. The biggest and loudest opposition to signing will likely come from Catholic teachers. That is sad.
 
This same thing happened in the Diocese of Arlington, VA a while back, but with catechists and not just regular Catholic school teachers. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=693452&highlight=arlington+school

Of course, a stink was raised there as well. Frankly, a catechist that would not sign a statement in affirmation of Church doctrine is a catechist that I don’t want teaching the Faith. Professors at Catholics schools who teach theology are supposed to have the Mandatum. The situation in Arlington, or this latest one in CA is hardly different.
 
I don’t have any problem with it IF we are seeing the entirety of the statement that they are expected to sign. I would like to see the whole thing unabridged before completely deciding.

Asking them not to promote error is one thing, and totally acceptable. Asking for sinless teachers/monitoring their personal lives, on the other hand, is unrealistic and unfair.
 
jwinch2 said:
Same here.

I wonder sometimes at the people who are against this. Do they not ever consider the parents, who are sending their kids to Catholic school? Are the parents really supposed to shell out tons of money to send their kids to Catholic school for the privilege of having them taught by people who dissent from settled Church doctrine? Do they even consider the souls of the children they may be leading astray? Our Blessed Lord taught in parable much of the time, but He was pretty direct on a few occasions. One of those where He was quite direct was when He stated the consequences of leading a child astray. Does it even cross people’s minds that they are free to put themselves into perdition if they choose, but perhaps they might not wish to lead a child away from the truth of Christ and His Church?

If you teach in a Catholic school and are not comfortable assenting to Church teachings there are two things to consider: 1) you might consider the state of your immortal soul as well as those in your care; and, 2) no one is forcing you to teach at that particular place. Seriously, how is this even a question? If I send my child to a Catholic school, you can be darn sure that I am doing so in the expectation that they will be immersed in an authentically Catholic environment.

Bottom line? Good for the bishop.
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FreciaMarie said:
Prayers for Bishop Vasa- he’s going to need them. The biggest and loudest opposition to signing will likely come from Catholic teachers. That is sad.
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I would sign it! Copy it on to a beautiful gold enbossed parchment, frame, and hang it at the school. I would challenge students to sign a similar statement of adhearing to the faith! throw down the challenge!
 
Veritas, The Church had a different view on slavery, because in the Jewish tradition. A person who didn’t pay their bills could become a slave, but it was temporary. The debts had to be forgiven. I think it was every 7 years, so the slaves were set free. The Church has always taught equality, “Whether slave or free” The Church taught on the dignity of all man kind, and adovocated that if you had slaves they be treated with love, dignity, respect, and be well cared for. The most horrific slavery is slavery to sin.
 
Regina_Love said:
Veritas, The Church had a different view on slavery, because in the Jewish tradition. A person who didn’t pay their bills could become a slave, but it was temporary. The debts had to be forgiven. I think it was every 7 years, so the slaves were set free. The Church has always taught equality, “Whether slave or free” The Church taught on the dignity of all man kind, and adovocated that if you had slaves they be treated with love, dignity, respect, and be well cared for. The most horrific slavery is slavery to sin.
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I’m going to have to remove that signature so I don’t have people debating me about it every week… lol

And, I’m sure that many slavemasters in the New World were keen to jump on that, “You’re only a slave to me in this world, but don’t worry 'cause we’re equal in Christ, boy!” line.
 
Great job Bishop Vasa. Wish all of our other Bishops would do the same.

Thank you for a fellow Cornhusker.
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
I don’t have any problem with it IF we are seeing the entirety of the statement that they are expected to sign. I would like to see the whole thing unabridged before completely deciding.

Asking them not to promote error is one thing, and totally acceptable. Asking for sinless teachers/monitoring their personal lives, on the other hand, is unrealistic and unfair.
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I agree. The article is unclear exactly what this addendum to the teachers’ contract requires. It would have been helpful if the addendum had been reproduced in full.

If it means that all teachers must acknowledge Catholic teachings and agree to not speak or write against them while on campus, then I’d have no problem with that.

If it means that all teachers must not dissent against Catholic teachings at any time, in any venue, in any way, then I’d have a problem with that, but would also acknowledge that a school might have some grounds for such a requirement depending upon how such dissent was conducted.

If, however, it means that all teachers must, as the article seems to imply – adhere to and model Catholic teachings at all times and places and even in their personal lives – then I’d have a big problem with that, all day long. I would regard that extreme as a violation of the teachers’ rights to religious freedoms and conscience. I would also regard that as putting a lie to the notion that Catholics don’t try to force their teachings on anyone else. Please note that I would not be objecting to what might be included in normal, so-called, morals clauses.
 
cornbread_r2 said:
I agree. The article is unclear exactly what this addendum to the teachers’ contract requires. It would have been helpful if the addendum had been reproduced in full.

If it means that all teachers must acknowledge Catholic teachings and agree to not speak or write against them while on campus, then I’d have no problem with that.

If it means that all teachers must not dissent against Catholic teachings at any time, in any venue, in any way, then I’d have a problem with that, but would also acknowledge that a school might have some grounds for such a requirement depending upon how such dissent was conducted.

If, however, it means that all teachers must, as the article seems to imply – adhere to and model Catholic teachings at all times and places and even in their personal lives – then I’d have a big problem with that, all day long. I would regard that extreme as a violation of the teachers’ rights to religious freedoms and conscience. I would also regard that as putting a lie to the notion that Catholics don’t try to force their teachings on anyone else. Please note that I would not be objecting to what might be included in normal, so-called, morals clauses.
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I think what I’m picturing is stuff that falls into that third category a bit, but maybe going a little further: a teacher missing Mass one week, then being called into the office on Monday to justify their sin.

Or, the example I gave on the first page of this thread of “don’t be spotted in a place that serves alcohol,”

Or, “someone saw you at a party and you weren’t dressed modestly! Explain!”

Teachers are teachers, not children. They shouldn’t be treated like children, nor should they be treated like perfect paragons of moral virtue. They make mistakes like anyone else, they sin like anyone else, and I’m not keen on the idea of being made to answer for any real or perceived sin anyone can cook up on them.

But again, if this is just about not teaching contrary to the Church’s values, that I understand.
 
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