Bishops rip HHS mandate That Forces Coverage of Birth Control, Abortion Drugs

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Nimozek - speak for yourself. I think the **least bad effect **is voting for the president at this point.
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Yes… That is what you tell me… Other than what you have stated above you have given me no reason to perceive your perspective…
 
I don’t think I will be voting for Obama for this reason. However I must admit that the other candidates (Romney, Sanctorum, Gingrich) would be far worse presidents that Barrack Obama imo. These 3 do not have the integrity he has. I don’t agree with their views on immigration. Gingrich with 3 different women, you kidding me? Romney changes his views everytime hes running and is a rich guy who certainly will not care for the poor.

The only person I would vote for in the general elections would be for Ron Paul (I completely agree with his views), but unfortunately hes probably not going to be the nominee. So I may simply not vote this time…
I wish I saw more candidates as an option but I don’t.
 
Alas - I do too… However I personally wonder about the ethics of not voting… Why not submit your vote for Ron Paul (as a write in) anyway? At least your voice would be heard -yes?
 
Ooops! BTW that is to be read as unswerving as opposed to unserving in my Post - the 9th from the top.
 
I didn’t vote at all in the 2008 elections. I was feeling sick that day so I simply did not go to the polls and vote. However, I would not have voted for Obama if I had voted. I am not going to vote for Obama in these upcoming elections either. I am thinking of getting an absentee ballot this year so that way I can make sure I vote regardless of whether or not I am feeling well. I often don’t feel well since I have a chronic pain disorder.
 
Nimzovik,Thank you for posting this link.I think that pretty well explains the Church’s position,in light of the social climate we are living in.I would like to add another perspective.That is of the post-abortive woman( and man)I don’t know if any of you know of someone personally,who had undergone an abortion and the resulting issues based on that decision to abort…I do know of someone,very close to me who has suffered greatly with feelings of regret,shame,not to mention depression. one only needs to visit one of the many websites devoted to post abortion depression to see how truly destructive abortion really is.Not all of these women are Catholic,or even Christian for that matter.The fact is,regardless of one’s belief,abortion is counter-intuitive to God’s plan for women,we were designed to carry life,not rip it from our wombs.I am sorry,but Obahma’s comment that he would not want one of his daughters to be punished with a baby,speaks volumes about his mindset.
 
As Catholics, we need to look at all of the candidates. Yes, the Democrats were, in the 1960s, the party, in general, to vote for. But as the decades passed, they abandoned many Christian views, including the right to life.

Has anyone read the Declaration of Independence lately? It includes the words “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

ushistory.org/declaration/document/

Without the right to life, all the rest does not matter. I have no political party affiliation.

The President did help in economic matters. In other areas, he has not shown the level of leadership necessary to get the US back on its feet economically. Even during the last Great Depression, about 80% of the country was employed. This Depression it’s somewhere between 10-15% unemployed.

The simple question this President needs to ask Congress - both parties - is: Take action on reducing the National Debt now or I will sign an Executive Order and put the blame on myself since all of your lobbyist friends are putting pressure on you not to cut their funding. I get that. But it’s no longer “the buck stops here,” it’s “adding to the National Debt stops here.”

I did not vote for Obama and will not vote for him this time. Abortion needs to be the primary non-negotiable this time.

Send an email to your Church and any other Church and encourage the priests to speak up on abortion. No, I don’t mean: You should vote for him and not him. Just encourage the priests to give those in the pews the clear teaching of the Church and why it matters.

Peace,
Ed
 
Jeanne_S said:
Nimzovik,Thank you for posting this link.I think that pretty well explains the Church’s position,in light of the social climate we are living in.I would like to add another perspective.That is of the post-abortive woman( and man)I don’t know if any of you know of someone personally,who had undergone an abortion and the resulting issues based on that decision to abort…I do know of someone,very close to me who has suffered greatly with feelings of regret,shame,not to mention depression. one only needs to visit one of the many websites devoted to post abortion depression to see how truly destructive abortion really is.Not all of these women are Catholic,or even Christian for that matter.The fact is,regardless of one’s belief,abortion is counter-intuitive to God’s plan for women,we were designed to carry life,not rip it from our wombs.I am sorry,but Obahma’s comment that he would not want one of his daughters to be punished with a baby,speaks volumes about his mindset.
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Bold Lettering Mine.

Precisely. Quite indicative.

Another note. I have worked a number of Acute Psychiatric Admission Suites for many long years. I can say this - the hallucinatory and delusional content of women that have had abortions is certainly identifiable during crisis. It is all really quite sad.
 
When it comes to life issues, I have been, for the most part, let down by every Republican president since I could first vote (Reagan). I hear a lot of talk about their pro-life stance, but when their term is done, little changes. Abortion on-demand is still the law of the land. Somehow, they get other things done, such as union-busting, tax breaks for the wealthiest, and military action, but life issues never seem to be a priority. Maybe this time will be different.
 
Certainly it is not the priority of the Republicans to the extent that it should be. However they are definitely the lesser of the two evils. I find it interesting that Newt has made the stance that he did in this go round.
 
If Obama gets reelected, the Supreme Court will, within his next 4 years, become almost completely anti-Christian, anti-American Traditional Values, and socialist in their overall political mindset.

At that point, diplomacy will have worked itself out of a job and there is only one option when diplomacy fails. Can you stomach it, or shall you throw up in your helmet and drop your sword, Crusader?

Just like pagan Rome, America wasn’t built in a day. Just like pagan Rome, I sense that it shall fall in a little over one (though the process has taken years to build up the tipping point). The question is, will we continue to quote defiant words to our Lord, out of context and the same things which rebellious Israel said? Shall we rebuild with hewn stones and replace the sycamores with cedars? Shall we call such judgement on ourselves?

I think we already have. Get your sun glasses, and look away from the blast, cus it’s comin’, Clyde, and hoof beats resonate in the distance.

In short: No. I will not tolerate it. I just shudder at the reality which is approaching us.

“Punk***es, dismount; everyone else, man the heck up”- SFC F., PSG, 3/69 AR Scout platoon '02-'04
 
My biggest issue with abortion, outside of it being murder, is that i support it with my tax dollars.

All American Taxpayers do. We are all guilty of murder. I don’t like the way that makes me feel.

I can argue with out using religion why it is wrong. The civil liberties of the unborn child are being trampled on. Once there is life there is protection by the law for that child.

If women want to get abortions let them do it on their dollar not mine. I don’t want my tax money going for murder.
 
christofirst said:
When it comes to life issues, I have been, for the most part, let down by every Republican president since I could first vote (Reagan). I hear a lot of talk about their pro-life stance, but when their term is done, little changes. Abortion on-demand is still the law of the land. Somehow, they get other things done, such as union-busting, tax breaks for the wealthiest, and military action, but life issues never seem to be a priority. Maybe this time will be different.
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Thank you, Luna, for your affirmation. And thank you too Nimzovik, for not calling me a heretic for voicing my frustration with the current political situation. I just noticed the “sticky” telling me not to discuss politics in the Social Justice forum. Now I need to go to forum confession.
 
Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C. believes that the Church can win its fight against the Obama administration’s contraception mandate if it takes its case to the public.

More…
 
heh heh heh… Me too I guess! However is not certain politics part and parcel of Politics? Just where is the line exactly?
 
It looks as if Obama/Sebelius wants Catholic organizations to fire all of their non-Catholic employees. Applying Sebelius’ theory, Mother Teresa’s ministry would have been considered a non-religious organization, if she ever paid a single non-Catholic for any service.
Those people are ridiculous, they worship the state. :eek:
 
garn9173 said:
I didn’t vote for Obama in 2008 and there are several reasons why I won’t vote for his re-election this year and the fact he’s pro-choice is one of those reasons.
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I did vote for Obama in 2008 and will do so again this year. On the other side you have Gringrich and Romney. The best choice is pretty obvious.
 
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