Bishops rip HHS mandate That Forces Coverage of Birth Control, Abortion Drugs

[incense]

It looks as if Obama/Sebelius wants Catholic organizations to fire all of their non-Catholic employees. Applying Sebelius’ theory, Mother Teresa’s ministry would have been considered a non-religious organization, if she ever paid a single non-Catholic for any service.
Those people are ridiculous, they worship the state.

And not accept any non-Catholic patients.

 

[Thaelros]

I accidently realized this yesterday: Rome fell after it persecuted Christianity and afterwards made it the major religion. Could this be the beginning of the process?

 

[catholictiger]

its amazing how the liberal catholics are full fledged against this.

maybe liberals and orthodox are coming together.

 

[Marie5890]

I accidently realized this yesterday: Rome fell after it persecuted Christianity and afterwards made it the major religion. Could this be the beginning of the process?

May I suggest you read Augustine’s “City of God”…

He reminds us that only God’s city is eternal…No earthly city, or country, or empire is…

We tend to forget that… ALL countries, empires, etc etc rise and decline and go thru all kinds of turmoil…

If history shows us anything, its that we should never romanticize history because then we forget real history and will tend to be revisionists.

Nothing in even our short American history of 230ish years has ever showed that we are static and lacking in volitility in our own politics and culture.

 

[St_Francis]

I did not vote for Obama last time and I will not vote for him this time. I do not agree with any of his ideas and do not think that he has served the Amercian people well as president.

Unfortunately, there is very little, at this point, that attracts me from the GOP. It seems like each election the Dem seems worse to me, and the Republicans get worse too. It’s just that the Dems have this major thing about killing babies in the womb, and the Republicans don’t.

It’s sort of like choosing the fast lane or the slow lane downhill.

It’s so sad to see this happening to my country.

 

[estesbob]

You know, you cannot (or perhaps should not) elect a president on one issue. I do not see the President a wildy promoting abortion. He has stated often that it is the least desired event in the case of pregnancy. I think some of you who are so against social programs should go check some other findings which impact this issue. For one thing, there are typically few abortions during a Democratic administration than Republican. The reason being that there are programs to assist pregnant women. Yes, abortion is a tragedy, but we need to stop being so narrow in our focus of how to change that. How many of the anti-abortion zealots also support/reach out/care for those who have become pregnant or their children. How many of you support women’s shelters. I know that some do, but I challenge the rest of you to put your bodies where your words are.

*No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion," he said.
*

Cardinal raymond burke

“How can one morally accept laws that permit the killing of a human being not yet born, but already alive in the mother’s womb? The right to life becomes an exclusive prerogative of adults who even manipulate legislatures in order to carry out their own plans and pursue their own interests.”
Letter to Families , John Paul II

“*When – concerning areas or ‘realities that involve fundamental ethical duties – legislative or political choices contrary to Christian principles and values are proposed or made, the Magisterium teaches that ‘a well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political programme or an individual law which contradicts the fundamental contents of faith and morals’.”
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Doctrinal Notes on Some Questions Regarding the Participation of Catholics in Political Life , 4 (2002). *

 

[estesbob]

When it comes to life issues, I have been, for the most part, let down by every Republican president since I could first vote (Reagan). I hear a lot of talk about their pro-life stance, but when their term is done, little changes. Abortion on-demand is still the law of the land. Somehow, they get other things done, such as union-busting, tax breaks for the wealthiest, and military action, but life issues never seem to be a priority. Maybe this time will be different.

So since the republcians allegegdly have not done enough to thwart those who promote unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand its OK to vote for those who promote unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand? There is no basis in church teaching for this. on the contrary:

Obviously, we have other important issues facing us this fall: the economy, the war in Iraq, immigration justice. But we can’t build a healthy society while ignoring the routine and very profitable legalized homicide that goes on every day against America’s unborn children. The right to life is foundational. Every other right depends on it. Efforts to reduce abortions, or to create alternatives to abortion, or to foster an environment where more women will choose to keep their unborn child, can have great merit–but not if they serve to cover over or distract from the brutality and fundamental injustice of abortion itself. We should remember that one of the crucial things that set early Christians apart from the pagan culture around them was their rejection of abortion and infanticide.* Yet for thirty-five years I’ve watched prominent “pro-choice” Catholics justify themselves with the kind of moral and verbal gymnastics that should qualify as an Olympic event.** All they’ve really done is capitulate to Roe v. Wade.*

*Arrchbishop Charles chaput

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Why would anyone want to vote for Obama? Not just because of his liberal social views, but because he has done absolutely nothing to help the economy. Combine the two, and you should have a very hard time voting for him.

 

[Marie5890]

Prayer for Protection of Conscience Rights

usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/prayers/protection-of-conscience-rights-healthcare.cfm

Father, in Jesus our Lord, we praise and thank you for your most precious gift of human life and for forming us in your divine image. Keep us, the dwelling place of your most Holy Spirit, ever healthy in body and soul.

Jesus, Divine Healer, pour your grace upon all those afflicted with illness or disease. Protect from all harm those who are vulnerable due to sickness, suffering, frailty, poverty or age, whether elderly or unborn.

Holy Spirit, touch the hearts of all who serve human life in medicine and science, so they will protect the dignity of each person, from conception to natural death, and remain faithful advocates of all entrusted to their care.

Grant those who are called to serve as health care providers renewed conviction in their ministry, and increased wisdom to treat the whole person, and not merely the illness.

Protect the right of health care providers to serve their patients without being forced to violate their moral and religious convictions. Guard them against discrimination, that they might be free to follow you faithfully while fulfilling their professional duties.

Grant our lawmakers the wisdom and courage to uphold conscience rights for those called to the ministry of healing, and help them resist the pressure to become collaborators in the culture of death.

Give us strength to be bold and joyful witnesses to the truth that every human life is sacred.

In your goodness, guard our freedom to live out our faith and to follow you in all that we do.

Father, we ask this in Jesus’ name, through the Holy Spirit. Amen.

 

[michaelmas]

I did vote for Obama in 2008 and will do so again this year. On the other side you have Gringrich and Romney. The best choice is pretty obvious.

Excuse me, but Ron Paul is there and he is making a point in these primaries that will have to be addressed at the convention.

 

[BVM_1221]

Catholics: Will You Tolerate Obama and More Abortions?

If we must.

Or the Republicans might win and we can tolerate more wars in the middle east, more suffering at home, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer etc etc etc

Or we can tolerate the fact that most abortion bills will not get througth Congress, or if the do, the will be declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. :tsktsk:

We certainly need to tolerate the fact that many non-Catholic americans are totally disgusted with the Catholic Church and its child rape scandles (and sunsequent coverups).

And we can even learn to tolerate the anti-abortion types who use these Forums to set up straw dummies, the better to knock the stuffing out of them and bad-mouth Catholics who vote Democrat :compcoff:

So…where should we start?

 

[estesbob]

If we must.

Or the Republicans might win and we can tolerate more wars in the middle east, more suffering at home, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer etc etc etc

Or we can tolerate the fact that most abortion bills will not get througth Congress, or if the do, the will be declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. :tsktsk:

We certainly need to tolerate the fact that many non-Catholic americans are totally disgusted with the Catholic Church and its child rape scandles (and sunsequent coverups).

And we can even learn to tolerate the anti-abortion types who use these Forums to set up straw dummies, the better to knock the stuffing out of them and bad-mouth Catholics who vote Democrat :compcoff:

So…where should we start?

Let’s start by following the teachings of the Church. All right flow from the right to life.

 

[christofirst]

No, I’m not saying its OK to vote for someone who promotes abortion (and now this whole contraception mess)! Just understand my frustration. If I made a campaign promise every four years to promote life, but then always came up with excuses when my term was up, would you not question either my sincerity or my capabilities? Perhaps it might even occur to you that I had some other agenda which meant more to me than promoting life. But since that campaign promise of mine was fundamental to your eternal salvation, I could be assured of your vote, time after time. It often seems to me that all we get is lip-service where life issues are concerned.

 

[pnewton]

I think the article is rather off base. Catholics did not elect Obama. The American people did. It is not a question of tolerating the outcome, (What are we going to do? Kill ourselves because we can not live with Obama any more?) but rather a question of voting our informed conscience, and each deciding what to do with their 00.0000001% of the decision.

The outcome of the election, contrary to the article, determines nothing about me.

 

[cornbread_r2]

If Obama gets reelected, the Supreme Court will, within his next 4 years, become almost completely anti-Christian, anti-American Traditional Values, and socialist in their overall political mindset.

[snip]

According to this article, unless there is an unprecedented rash of premature deaths, retirements or removals within the next five years, it seems unlikely that a re-elected President Obama would have the opportunity to appoint more than one Supreme Court justice during a second term. So unless you’re asserting that the current crop of justices aren’t what they seem – including the six Catholic justices – then I’m not seeing where all of this alleged anti-American, anti-Christian, pro-Socialism would be coming from.

 

[Nimzovik]

If we must.

Or the Republicans might win and we can tolerate more wars in the middle east, more suffering at home, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer etc etc etc"

Excuse me? Republicans and War? That ain’t Barbara Bush waging the war in Afghanistan is it? Methinks Obama is indeed supporting so - called Republican War policies all by his self. I also note that war is a punishment for sin. Sin like Obama perpetrates on the unborn via Aborion Advocacy- yes? Not unlike what Mary said at Fatima in regard to Russia and repentance - yes? Ahem?

Or we can tolerate the fact that most abortion bills will not get througth Congress, or if the do, the will be declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. :tsktsk:

Excuse me? If a Proper President is elected that said President can indeed appoint judges to the Supreme Court - Yes? You say the Pro - Life Bills will not make it through the Congress eh? I will never argue in favor of limitations. I will never put limits on Heaven. I am sure such desparaging remarks were made in regard to Slavery at one time as well - yes?

We certainly need to tolerate the fact that many non-Catholic americans are totally disgusted with the Catholic Church and its child rape scandles (and sunsequent coverups).

Au Contraire again! The sex scandal was perpetrated IMHO by Sexual Predators in the Church. Having worked in Psychiatric Facilities for years I know full well how they choose specific Jobs to insert themselves into oppurtunistic situations. Believe me the Church will not be the last to be fooled by such. I note that often such exploitation is of a Homosexual nature.

And we can even learn to tolerate the anti-abortion types who use these Forums to set up straw dummies, the better to knock the stuffing out of them and bad-mouth Catholics who vote Democrat :compcoff:

If you see a straw dummy here - please enlighten me where -specifically it is. To assert (accuse?) such here needs verification. Not mere Rhetoric.

So…where should we start?

Your turn.

 

[mitex]

No hopefully Obama and his abortion crowd will be long gone after November. I will not be voting however. Obama is pro-choice and anti-Catholic. Santorum has a nice record but his overtly militant status on continuing the wars is a major turn off (especially with Iran).

And Gingrich’s three marriages are well a moral character flaw. Divorcing a cancer striken wife and having an open marriage with another one are just things that I can’t get past.
Forget about seeing me at the polls.

I’m also just sick and tired of the state of politics. Not even worth my time!

 

[Nimzovik]

Alas I know too well of which you speak. However I would encourage you to vote -even if it is to write in your own candidate, My wife has voted for me repeatedly. At least you make your dissatisfaction known. Just my 2 cents.

 

[JimG]

I didn’t vote for him, however, I know of a lot of Catholics who did!These tend to be elderly,lock step democrats that overlooked the abortion issue because of their belief that the Democrats are more concerned with their needs,social issues.It really puzzles me.I have relatives who think this way,problem is ,they really aren’t thinking,just doing what they have done for years Wake up people!

Yes, I think a lot of people are voting (still) for a Democratic Party that no longer exists. It has been so radically transformed as to be unrecognizable, yet it keeps the same name.

FDR, Harry Truman, LBJ, JFK, did not support abortion on demand, did not support homosexual marriage, did not pass mandates to force the Catholic Church to abandon its morals or get out of business.

What we have now is the most pro-abortion party in U.S. history, the most pro-homosexual marriage party, the most anti-Catholic party, the most anti-religion party, the most fiscally irresponsible party. None of those positions are good for the country. 50 million deaths since Roe v Wade. $16 trillion in debt which has no chance of being repaid.

The current administration has contempt for Catholics. Why should we support his re-election?

 

[Ana_v]

You know, you cannot (or perhaps should not) elect a president on one issue. I do not see the President a wildy promoting abortion. He has stated often that it is the least desired event in the case of pregnancy. I think some of you who are so against social programs should go check some other findings which impact this issue. For one thing, there are typically few abortions during a Democratic administration than Republican. The reason being that there are programs to assist pregnant women. Yes, abortion is a tragedy, but we need to stop being so narrow in our focus of how to change that. How many of the anti-abortion zealots also support/reach out/care for those who have become pregnant or their children. How many of you support women’s shelters. I know that some do, but I challenge the rest of you to put your bodies where your words are.

(emphasis mine)

Depends on what the “one issue” is. The abortion issue is certainly a wise metric to use, to determine the moral reliability of the candidate on matters of public policy. And let’s not forget the president appoints judges to the Supreme Court. Don’t suspect he will appoint persons with political opinions that are diametrically opposite of his own. And given the Obama Administration’s contraceptives mandate, I would urge you to not vote for him.

The implications of him winning is this: since he won’t be up for re-election anymore, you can bet his level of boldness will rise in terms of what he is willing to push into law. Whereas, during the first term, the president needs to restrain himself to some degree knowing that too many unhappy citizens can translate into him being voted out of office by the said citizens. Not so during the second term. Do you really want to risk him going further than just testing the waters with Catholic Church? Do you want to risk increasingly graver threats to Her?