Boethius's Arguments for the existence of God

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Here’s the official definition, “having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.” Just because you happem to like the imperfect more does not mean objective perfection doesn’t exist, this would be reducing objective standards to personal taste.
 
Which is what Boethius here argues, it is manifest that mamy things’ qualities, faculties, etc, are not fully actuallized according to their nature. An empty stonach being the example.
 
The very fact that these imperfections are recognizable presupposes perfection, just as cold presupposes heat.
 
So there must be aomething fully actuallized in every aspect of existemce, whom we call God.
 
Unfortunately, Old n Skeptical is trying to reduce the definition to his personal tastes to win the argument, when as deminstratef, his definition is erroneous.
 
And while someone may subjectivy dezire the (name removed by moderator)erfect as all do when commiting a sin, this doesn’t actually reject objective perfections.
 
No relaible ‘“prove it?” Substantiate that claim. I don’t believe it.
 
Don’t change the subject. I want you to substantiate your claim. And I don’t appreciate being called unintelligent.
 
You fall for the same trap yku acvuse mdtaphysics of, unsubstantiated claims. That which is asserted without evidemve can be dismissed without evidemce.
 
My fellow Christians, this man falls for the same accusation that he accuses metaphysics of. Not only has he failed to substantiate his claims, but whenever called out on it, either he changes the subject, or resorts to name calling. We can reject his arguments because of his unfounded premises. It is also glaringly obvious that this man has not read Aristotle’s metaphysics, has a very poor understanding of classical thought, and accuses based off of his own personal conviction.
 
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So unless he can substantiate his claims, I implore all to ignore him.
 
So now that he is finally out of the way, may I suggest you read Aristotle’s metaphysics?
 
Is it possible the two of you are falling for semantic argument?
I don’t think so. I am trying to be sensitive to @oldnskeptical’s argument (although, clearly, I disagree with it!), while at the same time, attempting to present Boethius’ argument in the context of medieval philosophy in which he made it. In that light, Boethius really is dealing with ‘universals’, ‘particulars’ (and, ultimately, the conclusion that Boethius arrives at, in his discussions of the topic).

I think that we can appreciate Boethius’ arguments for precisely the reason that @oldnskeptical seems to reject them: Boethius doesn’t define what ‘perfection’ is, but rather, simply points out that imperfections exist. This doesn’t seem to be a fatal flaw for me: in much the way that universals are themselves abstractions, Boethius’ argument points to imperfections in an abstract way! That doesn’t weaken his argument, I’d assert, but rather, point us toward a truth without forcing us to agree on a taxonomy before appreciating his line of thought!
He might as well say, my decinition of red is different from yours, therefore your argument is invalid. Perhaps we should define perfect.
I think not. After all, in this part of his argument, Boethius doesn’t require us to assent to a definition of perfection, but rather, simply asks us to assent to the notion that we can glean knowledge from the observations of imperfections in the real world.
The very fact that these imperfections are recognizable presupposes perfection, just as cold presupposes heat.
Yes! Precisely! 👍
It amazes me
You seem to be inordinately amazed that others do not simply agree with your every assertion… 🤣 🤔
Ahhh!!! The ever reliable " Prove it" defense.
No. Actually, it’s the very reasonable “you’ve asserted it, now please substantiate your claims.” That’s what debate is all about.
 
And I don’t appreciate being repeatedly asked to prove the non-existence of something that’s impossible to disprove.
Psst… if you can’t substantiate your point or disprove the opposing point, then you can’t assert that you’ve proven your point. All that you can say is “I have an opinion.” 😉
 
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Exactly, he says that metaphysics makes unsubstantiated claims, and fails to substantiate that claim. If he comes back, don’t get distracted by a red herring. Stick to that question. Keep asking until he gives up or assents his claim is a mere assertion.
 
I repeat and and repeat, do not get distracted with a side issue.
 
And remember, since he asserted something without evidence, we can reject it without evidence. Just ignore him until he proves his claim.
 
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